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Old 07-27-2016, 09:09 PM
 
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Yes, of course, using my tax dollars to sail around showboating and keeping the US military relevant. All the while the Chinese build islands and gain real asset for their money.

What exactly does the US get out of these sail by? Show the flag? Make our allies feel safe? Make americans feel like they have a collective big d$3ck? Expensive proposition.

These sail by do not stop China from anything. In fact they offer good excuses for China to militarize more intensely all across the SCS.
It is more important than you think.

The US is making an obvious statement that such a unilateral territorial grab as China declaring they "own" the entire SCS ( some of it thousands of miles from Chinese soil) is not going to go unchallenged. This is a big impediment to China acting more aggressively - for instance, I seriously doubt that China can or will require journey planning for Ships or Planes crossing the SCS as they would for anyone crossing mainland Chinese territory. No, the US will not go to war over Chinese economic exploitation of resources in the SCS but neither will China take the next step of annexing the territory and controlling entry - why ?

Because the US position of free and open navigation will not be challenged by China.
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Old 07-28-2016, 03:05 AM
 
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It is more important than you think.

The US is making an obvious statement that such a unilateral territorial grab as China declaring they "own" the entire SCS ( some of it thousands of miles from Chinese soil) is not going to go unchallenged. This is a big impediment to China acting more aggressively - for instance, I seriously doubt that China can or will require journey planning for Ships or Planes crossing the SCS as they would for anyone crossing mainland Chinese territory. No, the US will not go to war over Chinese economic exploitation of resources in the SCS but neither will China take the next step of annexing the territory and controlling entry - why ?

Because the US position of free and open navigation will not be challenged by China.
And......has China ever challenged anyone's freedom of navigation in the SCS? Maybe around those rocks that the Chinese controlled and expanded, but I haven't heard the Chinese stopping any ships going through the SCS. And the US is staying out of those Chinese islands too. So what's the point? This whole sail around is a real waste of money, and the Asian countries are beginning to realize that the US is dealing in display while China has the real stuff...potential investments, trade and development. Of course China will be the top dog in any arrangement because it is the neighborhood big boy.
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Old 07-28-2016, 07:09 AM
 
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And......has China ever challenged anyone's freedom of navigation in the SCS? Maybe around those rocks that the Chinese controlled and expanded, but I haven't heard the Chinese stopping any ships going through the SCS. And the US is staying out of those Chinese islands too. So what's the point? This whole sail around is a real waste of money, and the Asian countries are beginning to realize that the US is dealing in display while China has the real stuff...potential investments, trade and development. Of course China will be the top dog in any arrangement because it is the neighborhood big boy.
Another wrong assumption or unsubstantiated claim. The Philippine economy improved due to focus on information and communication technology, business process outsourcing and other services that are mainly catered to the American market. The US is a large investor and is a bigger trade and development partner than China is for the Philippines.
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Old 07-29-2016, 06:24 PM
 
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Dont know what a balut is....???? I'll take your word for it as far as the Filipino economy is concern. If they are finally doing well, then good for them.
Balut is a boiled fertilized egg, normally duck so you see and eat the duck embryo. You will find street vendors along with stores selling it.
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Old 07-30-2016, 03:40 PM
 
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Balut is a boiled fertilized egg, normally duck so you see and eat the duck embryo. You will find street vendors along with stores selling it.
That sounds absolutely revolting, but hay, at least it's not dog or cat fetuses.....
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Old 07-30-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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Balut is a boiled fertilized egg, normally duck so you see and eat the duck embryo. You will find street vendors along with stores selling it.
It isn't common in the US but you can find it in restaurants and specialty markets as well. It is a revolting looking food but not illegal or anything.

Looking for traditional Filipino sisig? Head to Carson - LA Times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q76ATjtVRl0

On topic: Has anyone noticed there has been zero movement on either side and almost nothing has changed since the ruling? It's almost like the ruling never happened. Even the media (for all parties) is rapidly losing interest in it.

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Old 07-31-2016, 05:31 AM
 
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It isn't common in the US but you can find it in restaurants and specialty markets as well. It is a revolting looking food but not illegal or anything.

Looking for traditional Filipino sisig? Head to Carson - LA Times


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q76ATjtVRl0

On topic: Has anyone noticed there has been zero movement on either side and almost nothing has changed since the ruling? It's almost like the ruling never happened. Even the media (for all parties) is rapidly losing interest in it.
Yes, China said the ruling is a hack job and it's null and void. What do you think the Filipinos or the viets can do? The US is realizing how stupid and wasteful its sail-by is. China is waiting until after September and the G20 meeting (in China) to build up Scarborough and declare a SCS air ID zone. Japan is the one country feeling really stupid now that it realizes that, all the while it is demanding that China adheres to the ruling, it just saw its EEZ hopes surrounding the Diaoyu island and other East Sea islands evaporate. If even the taiping island is "not" an island but a rock, how can the diaoyus or any other Japanese controlled rocks in the ECS be considered islands? Stupid stupid japan with a pie smashed on its face.
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Old 07-31-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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On topic: Has anyone noticed there has been zero movement on either side and almost nothing has changed since the ruling? It's almost like the ruling never happened. Even the media (for all parties) is rapidly losing interest in it.
Actually, there were US-China showdowns in the SCS around the Hague ruling. It seems China won the round.

There was a military showdown: US sent two carrier battle groups to the SCS just prior to the Hague ruling and conducted military exercises. Right after the ruling, China also conducted military exercises in the SCS. In the end, US withdrew the two carrier groups out of the nine dash line. Also, it's possible US may go back in the same area all over again. You can Google search news for these events.

There was a diplomatic showdown: After the ruling, US asked the Philippines about enforcing the Hague (don't know who will be end up paying the Hague court fees of $20 million). However, the Southeast Asian organization ASEAN (which the Philippines and Vietnam are members) issued a joint statement that ignored the Hague ruling and wants to keep non-area players out of the disputes. Those two actions were exactly what China wanted.

As you see, no one is interested in helping Philipinos eating fertilized eggs. However, there are interests in fighting China. The latest showdowns shows how things went. News media may indeed loose future interest.
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Old 07-31-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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Actually, there were US-China showdowns in the SCS around the Hague ruling. It seems China won the round.

There was a military showdown: US sent two carrier battle groups to the SCS just prior to the Hague ruling and conducted military exercises. Right after the ruling, China also conducted military exercises in the SCS. In the end, US withdrew the two carrier groups out of the nine dash line. Also, it's possible US may go back in the same area all over again. You can Google search news for these events.

There was a diplomatic showdown: After the ruling, US asked the Philippines about enforcing the Hague (don't know who will be end up paying the Hague court fees of $20 million). However, the Southeast Asian organization ASEAN (which the Philippines and Vietnam are members) issued a joint statement that ignored the Hague ruling and wants to keep non-area players out of the disputes. Those two actions were exactly what China wanted.

As you see, no one is interested in helping Philipinos eating fertilized eggs. However, there are interests in fighting China. The latest showdowns shows how things went. News media may indeed loose future interest.
I think even the US news media is realizing the preposterous notion that somehow the Chinese are bullies when the US navy is sailing around a sea that is thousands of miles way from American shores in a place that most Americans don't even know exist. It just doesn't gain any traction because most Americans are decent people who understand the notion of "live and let live" and basic mutual respect. The fact that China deserves its security in its own backyard in its own neighborhood is pretty easy to understand for most Americans. So even as cnn and CNBC try desperately to make this into a struggle between Chinese infamy and American justice, it just doesn't fly because the US always appears as a big bully going around showing off its big d^ick in a place so far away from home. Of course the collective firepower the China's front line ships from all three fleets doing their annual exercise in the SCS also helped to show the US that the SCS is China's core interest.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:30 PM
 
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I think even the US news media is realizing the preposterous notion that somehow the Chinese are bullies when the US navy is sailing around a sea that is thousands of miles way from American shores in a place that most Americans don't even know exist. It just doesn't gain any traction because most Americans are decent people who understand the notion of "live and let live" and basic mutual respect. The fact that China deserves its security in its own backyard in its own neighborhood is pretty easy to understand for most Americans. So even as cnn and CNBC try desperately to make this into a struggle between Chinese infamy and American justice, it just doesn't fly because the US always appears as a big bully going around showing off its big d^ick in a place so far away from home. Of course the collective firepower the China's front line ships from all three fleets doing their annual exercise in the SCS also helped to show the US that the SCS is China's core interest.
The US media isn't really interested in the South China Sea since it doesn't really drive the ratings. Foreign policy geeks are an incredibly tiny niche and few Filipino Americans or Chinese Americans are interested in what is going on there. Most people aka the mainstream audience also don't really have a good understanding of the issue in the South China Sea and it isn't as interesting as other foreign policy issues like ISIS or North Korea. From the perspectives of the news media, you get a lot of gruesome beheadings from ISIS but you don't really get anything interesting from the South China Sea unless you think Chinese/Filipino/American leaders condemning one another is interesting.
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