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Old 12-15-2016, 05:01 PM
 
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China has some Hitler admirers, actually quite a few.
You can argue they are biased and naive, but they are not ignorant about WWII history, compared to average people. In fact they know many details about what happened at that time, and the reasons why (in their opinion) the Jews were persecuted.

Baidu Tieba (a big Chinese forum) even has special message boards for Hitler or the Third Reich, and most posters there seem to be admirers (I have only been there several times so it is only my impression.) In China it is not a huge taboo to praise Hitler or to question the Holocaust, although it is not allowed to do that in public. Most people do believe the official interpretation, like people in the west too.
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Old 12-15-2016, 05:45 PM
 
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In Thailand they sell Hitler and Nazi Swastika items (t-shirts, hats, wallets etc.) on the streets.
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Old 12-15-2016, 06:25 PM
 
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One reason for less knowledge of Japanese war crimes is the lack of factual photographic and motion picture evidence, followed up by Hollywood's lack of fictional evidence as they produced very little entertainment which contained some elements of the war crimes. Exceptions are The Bridge Over the River Kwai, Empire of the Sun, and Paradise Road.

The second reason is that after the war, Japan was completely within the charge of the United States, and the American Occupation authorities didn't see a need to browbeat the Japanese over the point as no one now dead would come back to life by doing so. Unfortunately, that omission has allowed the Japanese public to neglect this past and causes them surprise when other Asian countries bring it up.

A third reason is that much of Japanese behavior was not driven by a predetermined centralized plan to commit atrocities. There was an attitude and mindset to allow, even countenance atrocities, but there wasn't an actual plan to maximize their commission. From a perspective of national moral culpability that is a difference which matters.

Finally to the OPs initial statement, well versed western students of history are aware of what the Japanese did, it's just that most people are not well versed students of history.
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:59 AM
 
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My basic position is that the invasion of China was wrong just as any invasion is wrong. It is just hypocritical for China to use it as a "political card" against Japan while CCP has never atoned for their invasion of Tibet, East Turkistan, Chairman Mao’s atrocities during the Cultural revolution, starvation of millions of people during the Great Leap Forward, the massacre of civilians in Tinanenmen, its support of murderous Pol Pot clique and North Korea’s dictatorship, etc.
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Old 12-17-2016, 01:51 AM
 
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Yeah, you are lucky to find today's young even aware of WW2. It's ancient history to them while they dwell on Lady Gaga and facebook.

But yeah, the reasons that the atrocities committed by Japan was not as well known was mainly due to cold war factors, and maybe issues of race as was detailed above (who cares about millions of murdered Chinese), but now ironically it's out of political correctness, liberal thinking, and historical revision - "oh the poor Japanese that perished in the evil atomic bombing!" Yeah, it's hard to fathom, but the US is now labeled the evil protagonist in the Pacific theater. It's the new liberal narrative. Gone is the knowledge of millions of Asian civilians murdered by the Japanese Imperial Army. Japanese murdered more Chinese in Nanking by bullet and bayonet, literally by hand, then were killed in both Atomic bombings, but it still remains relatevily unknown. Nazi killing factories were not needed, Japan unleashed hundreds of thousands of psychotic "Ted Bundy's" masquerading as soldiers in asia.

And of course, you have an element of Japanese society still that will not even admit these war crimes were committed. It's slowly changing, but for many years Japanese school textbooks entirely skipped over these. Contrast that with Germany who went through it's own national shame over the atrocities committed by the Nazis.

To those that want an introduction to the atrocities committed in the Pacific Theater (which includes the Sino-Japanese war phase even prior to the Nazi start of hostilities in 1939) - start with Iris Chang's "Rape of Nanking".
Errr no, the US began toning down Japanese war crimes during the 50s because China became Communist not because of liberalism or political correctness. Instead, the US began emphasizing Chinese atrocities in Tibet and the famine during the Great Leap Forward. It just wasn't good for propaganda purposes for the Communists to have the upper moral hand and acknowledging Japanese atrocities would be a massive coup for Communist propaganda since Japan was a fanatically anti-Communist state during its Imperial and post war eras. Japan is a key ally of the US and bringing up Japanese war crimes isn't good for foreign policy and quite frankly it accomplishes nothing.

The same applies for Turkey and the Armenian Genocide, it just isn't good foreign policy. In fact, far right conservatives in the 60s used to consider Armenian Americans who mentioned the Genocide to be Soviet propagandists since Armenia was part of the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union was an enemy of Turkey.
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Old 12-17-2016, 08:35 AM
 
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Errr no, the US began toning down Japanese war crimes during the 50s because China became Communist not because of liberalism or political correctness. Instead, the US began emphasizing Chinese atrocities in Tibet and the famine during the Great Leap Forward. It just wasn't good for propaganda purposes for the Communists to have the upper moral hand and acknowledging Japanese atrocities would be a massive coup for Communist propaganda since Japan was a fanatically anti-Communist state during its Imperial and post war eras. Japan is a key ally of the US and bringing up Japanese war crimes isn't good for foreign policy and quite frankly it accomplishes nothing.

The same applies for Turkey and the Armenian Genocide, it just isn't good foreign policy. In fact, far right conservatives in the 60s used to consider Armenian Americans who mentioned the Genocide to be Soviet propagandists since Armenia was part of the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union was an enemy of Turkey.
In other words "cold war factors". Gee thanks Einstein I managed to cover in 3 words what you needed 2 paragraphs and a discourse on turkey and Tibet to do.

Err YES!
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Old 12-17-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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[quote=Dd714;46534118]In other words "cold war factors". Gee thanks Einstein I managed to cover in 3 words what you needed 2 paragraphs and a discourse on turkey and Tibet to do.

You were vague about the Cold War factors and put too much emphasis on political correctness. The US also downplayed Soviet military accomplishments during the Cold War and also accepted the lie that the Wehrmacht was an "honorable" organization that did not commit atrocities unlike the SS.
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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My basic position is that the invasion of China was wrong just as any invasion is wrong. It is just hypocritical for China to use it as a "political card" against Japan while CCP has never atoned for their invasion of Tibet, East Turkistan, Chairman Mao’s atrocities during the Cultural revolution, starvation of millions of people during the Great Leap Forward, the massacre of civilians in Tinanenmen, its support of murderous Pol Pot clique and North Korea’s dictatorship, etc.
Tibet and Xinjiang (East Turkestan) were both governed by China even before the communist revolution, and that is why the communists sent troops there. Yes, Tibet was out of control during the WWII but it did not claim independence either. Xinjiang was a province of ROC.

It's amazing that Westerners all think China invaded them. You can say China refused to let them gain independence, at most.
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Old 12-17-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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Tibet and Xinjiang (East Turkestan) were both governed by China even before the communist revolution, and that is why the communists sent troops there. Yes, Tibet was out of control during the WWII but it did not claim independence either. Xinjiang was a province of ROC.

It's amazing that Westerners all think China invaded them. You can say China refused to let them gain independence, at most.
The West didn't have a problem with Chiang Kai-Shek claiming all of Xinjiang and Tibet. It only became a problem when China became Communist. In fact, there is a famous memo in which FDR recognized Tibet as part of China to Chiang Kai-Shek. Let's be honest, the US operates with double standards. It isn't a problem to the US that India has control over Northeast India, even though there are hundreds of violent Christian separatist movements, nor is it a problem that Turkey controls Northern Kurdistan/Eastern Anatolia/Western Armenia, which has a massive Kurdish separatist movement. If China aligned with the US, I don't think there would be any complaints about Tibet or Xinjiang.

These days, you even hear anti-China hawks advocate for the independence of Inner Mongolia and Manchuria even though both of those regions are 80%+ Han Chinese (over 90% in Manchuria). The US support for Manchurian separatism is even more egregious when you consider that the US criticized Japan over its seizure of Manchuria as the US recognized Chinese sovereignty over Manchuria. Again, the Chinese can see what the real end game for the support for Taiwanese, Uighur, and Tibetan independence is, which is to dismantle China to end it from being the hegemon of Asia.
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Old 12-17-2016, 09:01 PM
 
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The six million Jews murdered has been greatly overemphasized and not fair to the such larger other numbers. Kind of like a propaganda champagne. Remember Rumsfield crying foul over the clip of an Iraqi with a TV set being shown over and over....it is the same way with the holocaust victims. The Israelis are no angels, that's for sure.
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