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Old 12-17-2016, 09:22 PM
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The swastika symbol is used in many cultures [Japan for one] prior to the Nazis adoption it was a good luck emblem and adorns many government buildings here in the US.
More deaths occurred during Japanese air raids from people stomping or crushing people trying to get to shelters than from bombs they dropped ... I think that is where the term Chinese fire drill came from...
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Old 12-17-2016, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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The swastika symbol is used in many cultures [Japan for one] prior to the Nazis adoption it was a good luck emblem and adorns many government buildings here in the US.
More deaths occurred during Japanese air raids from people stomping or crushing people trying to get to shelters than from bombs they dropped ... I think that is where the term Chinese fire drill came from...

But they don't look the same.



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Old 12-18-2016, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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The six million Jews murdered has been greatly overemphasized and not fair to the such larger other numbers. Kind of like a propaganda champagne. Remember Rumsfield crying foul over the clip of an Iraqi with a TV set being shown over and over....it is the same way with the holocaust victims. The Israelis are no angels, that's for sure.
Israel is awesome. Vastly superior culture and society to the Palestinian equivalents... i admire Israeli restraint in dealing with them. Most narions, if they had to live next to and deal with a group like them, would have decimated them long ago. The best thing for the Palestinians to do at this point would be to give up and try to join Israeli society, which is better than anything they could hope to carve out for themselves.
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Old 12-18-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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The swastika symbol is used in many cultures [Japan for one] prior to the Nazis adoption it was a good luck emblem and adorns many government buildings here in the US..
What they meant is stuff like these.





There's like a ton of these happening in Asia. The reality is that Asians give zero ****s about Europe during WWII, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that Europeans know nothing about what Japan did either. To claim that Asians know more about nazism is just a statement belonging to a parallel universe, to say the least.
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Old 12-18-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I don't know what you're blathering on and on about, getting worked up over anecdotal experiences. We learned a lot about Japanese atrocities during WWII in school from Nanking and the hundreds of thousands who died building the bridge over the River Kwai to Japanese Unit 731.

The US practically single handedly liberated the entire Pacific from the black fist of the Japanese Empire, so I don't know what you mean about how Americans don't really know about the Japanese in WWII.
The movie Bridge was fictional, although based on a railroad bridge for the Burma Railway. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Br...the_River_Kwai

"The Bridge on the River Kwai is a 1957 British-American epic war film directed by David Lean and starring William Holden, Jack Hawkins, Alec Guinness, and Sessue Hayakawa. Based on the novel Le Pont de la Rivière Kwai (1952) by Pierre Boulle, the film is a work of fiction, but borrows the construction of the Burma Railway in 1942–1943 for its historical setting. The movie was filmed in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). The bridge in the film was near Kitulgala."

hundreds of thousands who died building the bridge - No. See the above URL:

"Historical parallels[edit]


A picture of the actual bridge over the River Kwai in June of 2004. The curved-shaped truss spans are the originals on the bridge (constructed by the Japanese military during WWII) while the two trapezoidal-shaped bridge spans were provided by Japan as war reparations after the war ended in 1945 (to replace two curved-shaped truss spans that fell into the river after the bridge was attacked and bombed by Allied aircraft.

"The largely fictional film plot[6] is loosely based on the building in 1943 of one of the railway bridges over the Mae Klong—renamed Khwae Yai in the 1960s—at a place called Tha Ma Kham, five kilometres from the Thai town of Kanchanaburi.[7]
According to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission:
"The notorious Burma-Siam railway, built by Commonwealth, Dutch and American prisoners of war, was a Japanese project driven by the need for improved communications to support the large Japanese army in Burma. During its construction, approximately 13,000 prisoners of war died and were buried along the railway. An estimated 80,000 to 100,000 civilians also died in the course of the project, chiefly forced labour brought from Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, or conscripted in Siam (Thailand) and Burma. Two labour forces, one based in Siam and the other in Burma, worked from opposite ends of the line towards the centre."[8]
(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

So - maybe 93,000 to 113,000 deaths - which is bad enough. But there's no point to inflating the numbers - in the carnage that was the various Japanese wars from the 1930s to 1945 in Asia, there's no need to exaggerate. The plain unvarnished truth is quite shocking enough, in & of itself.

Unit 731 was real enough, but part of the Sino-Japanese War in Manchuria - about as far away from Burma as you could get in the Japanese PTO in the mainland. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

"Unit 731 (Japanese: 731部隊, Hepburn: Nana-san-ichi Butai?) was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that undertook lethal human experimentation during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) of World War II. It was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes carried out by Japan. Unit 731 was based at the Pingfang district of Harbin, the largest city in the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo (now Northeast China).
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Old 12-19-2016, 05:26 PM
 
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there are even more deaths during the Liberation of Manila than the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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Old 12-19-2016, 05:37 PM
 
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There's some western bias for sure. Keep in mind that the Holocaust was just the culmination of roughly 1,000+ years of European mistreatment of Jews. Germany "takes the L" so to speak, but all the Euro nations have ugly episodes of Jewish imprisonment, murder and disenfranchisement. Plus, Hitler scared most of the world (German propaganda machine) more than Tojo and his message seemed to reach further.
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Old 12-19-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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there are even more deaths during the Liberation of Manila than the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Even more deaths occurred during the American occupation of the Philippines from the 1900s to 1920s. Most people would consider it genocide but Filipinos seem fine with it. I mean their closest allies are America and Japan, both of whom slaughtered Filipinos by the truckload.
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Old 12-19-2016, 06:39 PM
 
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You have to remember that by 1950 the United States was fighting a war with Korea. Japan became a launching point for air attacks and a staging area for ground troops in that war. The US was concerned that further prosecution of Japanese war criminals and publication of atrocity stories might turn Japanese public opinion against our occupation forces and threaten our ability to fight the North Koreans.


The Japanese had also been able to some degree to rebuild their economy by that time and were producing war materials for the US armed forces including trucks and other vehicles. There was a further attempt to stop the publication of atrocity stories when former US prisoners of war were forbidden by law to go to go court and sue Japanese armament manufacturers who used American prisoners as slave laborers.
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Old 12-19-2016, 07:18 PM
 
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there are even more deaths during the Liberation of Manila than the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki


Not per Wikipedia:
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manila_(1945)

Belligerents United States

  • 20,000+ soldiers killed
  • 70,000–146,000 civilians killed
  • Nagasaki:
  • 39,000–80,000 killed
    Total: 129,000–246,000+ killed

    (Their emphasis - More @ the URL)

    So you can see, the numbers are either slightly higher or more than double the casualties in Japan than in Manila. Still, a terrible waste of lives & material, no matter where. We can hope we've all learned better.
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