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Old 12-20-2016, 10:24 AM
 
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  • So you can see, the numbers are either slightly higher or more than double the casualties in Japan than in Manila. Still, a terrible waste of lives & material, no matter where. We can hope we've all learned better.
correction accepted. but if you compare, Manila was just one city and it suffered 100k deaths compared with the combined deaths with the 2 cities. Manila was really pulverized to the ground.


and another fact. Manila is the only city in Asia that was the scene of urban warfare in WWII. all the rest in SE Asia was just a walk in the park for the invading Japanese
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Old 12-20-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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Even more deaths occurred during the American occupation of the Philippines from the 1900s to 1920s. Most people would consider it genocide but Filipinos seem fine with it. I mean their closest allies are America and Japan, both of whom slaughtered Filipinos by the truckload.
only the ignorant forget the atrocities committed. that's why Duterte hates the Americans so much.
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Old 12-20-2016, 05:43 PM
 
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only the ignorant forget the atrocities committed. that's why Duterte hates the Americans so much.
Yes, I know and it's nice to see him putting Filipino interests ahead for once and play off China against America and vice versa. More countries in Asia need to emulate North Korea and how they played off the Soviets and Chinese against each other in the Cold War.
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:18 PM
 
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Yes, I know and it's nice to see him putting Filipino interests ahead for once and play off China against America and vice versa. More countries in Asia need to emulate North Korea and how they played off the Soviets and Chinese against each other in the Cold War.
that's very nave of him.
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:31 PM
 
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The West didn't have a problem with Chiang Kai-Shek claiming all of Xinjiang and Tibet. It only became a problem when China became Communist. In fact, there is a famous memo in which FDR recognized Tibet as part of China to Chiang Kai-Shek. Let's be honest, the US operates with double standards. It isn't a problem to the US that India has control over Northeast India, even though there are hundreds of violent Christian separatist movements, nor is it a problem that Turkey controls Northern Kurdistan/Eastern Anatolia/Western Armenia, which has a massive Kurdish separatist movement. If China aligned with the US, I don't think there would be any complaints about Tibet or Xinjiang.

These days, you even hear anti-China hawks advocate for the independence of Inner Mongolia and Manchuria even though both of those regions are 80%+ Han Chinese (over 90% in Manchuria). The US support for Manchurian separatism is even more egregious when you consider that the US criticized Japan over its seizure of Manchuria as the US recognized Chinese sovereignty over Manchuria. Again, the Chinese can see what the real end game for the support for Taiwanese, Uighur, and Tibetan independence is, which is to dismantle China to end it from being the hegemon of Asia.
I am wondering who you talk to. I have never met a single Westerner in the US who advocate independence for Manchuria or Inner Mongolia, and very few who even know about Xinjiang. Now, I have met many people who support Taiwanese and, to a lesser extent, Tibetan independence, but it has nothing to do with China being a hegemony of any sort. In fact, the people I met who care most about Taiwan and Tibet are immigrants or expats from Asia.
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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Yes, I know and it's nice to see him putting Filipino interests ahead for once and play off China against America and vice versa. More countries in Asia need to emulate North Korea and how they played off the Soviets and Chinese against each other in the Cold War.
Because that has worked out so well for North Korea. Dirt poor, higher corruption than South Korea even, and not fully trusted by any of its neighbors.
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Old 12-24-2016, 03:25 AM
 
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Because that has worked out so well for North Korea. Dirt poor, higher corruption than South Korea even, and not fully trusted by any of its neighbors.
North Korea is neither dirt poor nor highly corrupted if you know anything about it outside what typical western media feeds you.
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Old 12-24-2016, 09:25 PM
 
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North Korea is neither dirt poor nor highly corrupted if you know anything about it outside what typical western media feeds you.
Where exactly are you getting information about North Korea if non the "Western media" or the just as bias North Korean state media? Sorry if my information isn't good, being from Western/Korean media and people who used to live there. Like, even pro-North Korean people from North Korea and Japan blame the economic hardship in North Korea to large levels of corruption within provincial and lower levels of government, and any Western/South Korean goods reaching the North Korean border through China is the result of corruption among the North Korean military and local government, who look the other way for a cut of the profit or goods.
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Old 12-25-2016, 01:29 AM
 
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Where exactly are you getting information about North Korea if non the "Western media" or the just as bias North Korean state media? Sorry if my information isn't good, being from Western/Korean media and people who used to live there. Like, even pro-North Korean people from North Korea and Japan blame the economic hardship in North Korea to large levels of corruption within provincial and lower levels of government, and any Western/South Korean goods reaching the North Korean border through China is the result of corruption among the North Korean military and local government, who look the other way for a cut of the profit or goods.
North Korea is bad but it's better than most African countries. Western sanction is a major reason why it is poor, not just "communism". Any country under such a sanction will be extremely poor even if it has the best system and best leader.
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Old 12-25-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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North Korea is bad but it's better than most African countries. Western sanction is a major reason why it is poor, not just "communism". Any country under such a sanction will be extremely poor even if it has the best system and best leader.
I never said it was because of "Communism" (The term you were going for was probably Socialism, but it is debatable if even that applies anymore to North Korea, since it began distancing itself from the term), that's something you brought into the conversation just now. Perhaps you should actually read the post I responded to. I blamed North Korea's situation on playing off China and the USSR and, by extension, other major powers, which is part of the reason North Korea is under sanctions and, even more so, suffered so much with the fall of the USSR in the 90s.
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