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Old 01-24-2017, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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birth control, education, infrastructure, religion control, no caste!Hope Asia Great Again!
Till a few years ago I would have agreed on birth control and still think voluntary birth control is good but do nto favor the strict one child policy that China had until recently. This will lead to a male:female imbalance and in 30-40 years an ageing retiring non working population and not enough workers to support them.

Religious freedom is good and one should be able to freely practice their religion as long as they do not interfere with another religion. The government should get out of the business of promoting one religion over another religion or no religion.

I agree with you on education, infrastructure and caste politics.
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Old 01-24-2017, 05:58 PM
 
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That's a difference, but it's also not the driving difference for why one is significantly more developed than the other.
the Chinese trolls here will tell you it is about culture. they have superior culture vis a vis other countries who are poor forgetting that it is govt policies and implementation that made all the difference
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:10 PM
 
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the Chinese trolls here will tell you it is about culture. they have superior culture vis a vis other countries who are poor forgetting that it is govt policies and implementation that made all the difference
I think defining anything as a superior culture is pretty much a losing battle.

However, there is the fact of a large civil society within China that's been more or less continuously developed for a very long time and that helps a lot with governance and rule of law. Certainly there have been bad government policies and with that comes the possibility of very fast and bad turns as seen with the Cultural Revolution. On the other hand, it also meant other more beneficial policies were able to be directed through pretty quickly and acted upon.

India has a very fragmented society overall, so it meant that earnest attempts at certain policies such as encouraging birth control which was attempted, were extremely difficult to first argue through and then to implement. Additionally, the ruling class of India had much of its day-to-day governing activities curtailed by the British and that kind of governmental infrastructure is hard to simply take over when the government structure suddenly leaves and there was fierce infighting within the Indian National Congress over how government should be structured once the British left which were continually fought over even after the British did leave.

In some ways, it's similar to many colonies where the colonizer became the central governing body but then left the colonies in a hurry without much of a transition to self-governance. China, despite the mess left from the war, still had some vestiges of that. Even within the great flight from China after the KMT left, there were certainly many different local power structures for a while stayed and worked within some capacity and at the very least set a working memory for how these structures operate.

That's my two cents.
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:31 PM
 
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Indians are too religious while Chinese are not religious at all. Chinese are mostly pragmatists and they are their own God.
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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There are 1.3B Indians. Wages are lower in India. China is the factory of the world. Why can't India be the same?
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Old 01-24-2017, 07:00 PM
 
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There are 1.3B Indians. Wages are lower in India. China is the factory of the world. Why can't India be the same?
because skynet will soon become aware
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:21 PM
 
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the Chinese trolls here will tell you it is about culture. they have superior culture vis a vis other countries who are poor forgetting that it is govt policies and implementation that made all the difference
Cultures are not superior to other cultures. However, some cultures, whether it is an ethnic based culture or a subculture, may be superior to other cultures in achieving particular goals.
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Old 01-24-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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Cultures are not superior to other cultures. However, some cultures, whether it is an ethnic based culture or a subculture, may be superior to other cultures in achieving particular goals.
actually its more about leadership, strategic planning, and execution.
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Old 01-25-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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actually its more about leadership, strategic planning, and execution.
I agree. strong leadership and vision and the will to achieve this vision.


at certain point of development, once a sizeable middleclass and civil society is achieved, an economy or country is pretty much on auto pilot
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Old 01-25-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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I agree. strong leadership and vision and the will to achieve this vision.


at certain point of development, once a sizeable middleclass and civil society is achieved, an economy or country is pretty much on auto pilot
Right, and I think China started with a fairly sizable organized civil society in proportion to its population as did other East Asian countries such as Korea and Japan. For North Korea though, that was quickly utilized to do extremely detrimental top-down policies. For China, there were a few bad lapses here and there but it pulled itself back from the brink a couple times, and when the policies were actually sensible, it allowed for an extremely rapid, organized development.

For India, I think it's been possible for it to do such kind of improvements on a much more state by state level. On top of that though, India also had to deal with actual war and the constant threat of war with a rival power. For China, that never quite happened to the same extent. It also helps there was a huge wholesale transfer of technology and skills from the Soviet Union prior to the countries breaking their ties with each other. It was a massive transfer of technology and skills.
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