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Old 02-01-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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Even though India is much smaller than China the arable land percentage is one of the highest in the world. It is between 52.8 and 60.3 % of total area, depending on the source.

From wikipedia



I agree with Ganges and the filth in it.
When you consider the facts below (geographically), India should be way ahead of China, Korea and even Japan. Consider:


1. Arable land (see above argument).
2. Long Coastline - one is able to serve Asia, one Europe/Africa.
3. Lower percentage of hinterland, there really is only the Northern bit bordering Tibet/China.


Added to this, India inherited a British law system...
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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Even when China at its worst, like during Culture Revolution in the 60s, there was no massive slums and no dead body in the rivers. Now, China is in "Great Leap Forward". India was and is way behind China. How can India catch up? Time will tell.
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:35 PM
 
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Chinese speak Chinese, Mandarin.
British, Americans speak English.

Indians speak 10 different major languages spoken by atleast 50 million people each. Which means its a Soviet Union type of setup with each one having autonomy. Combine this with a weak leadership right after independence. And finally recently when they got a man who was said "India First" he is getting the same level as response as President Trump got.

Another reason being trying to be politically correct always. After 1947 they chose a Soviet style of market policies + Western democracy.

Most important reason is, as Kanban said, people dont care much. Even people who live here in US, they flock the theatres on the day of release of their favorite heros movie.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:01 PM
 
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Chinese speak Chinese, Mandarin.
British, Americans speak English.

Indians speak 10 different major languages spoken by atleast 50 million people each. Which means its a Soviet Union type of setup with each one having autonomy. Combine this with a weak leadership right after independence. And finally recently when they got a man who was said "India First" he is getting the same level as response as President Trump got.

Another reason being trying to be politically correct always. After 1947 they chose a Soviet style of market policies + Western democracy.

Most important reason is, as Kanban said, people dont care much. Even people who live here in US, they flock the theatres on the day of release of their favorite heros movie.
China did not have a unified spoken language either. Educated people wrote in the same language but did not speak it.
However, since about 100 years ago, there has been a campaign to popularize standard Mandarin. It has been required in schools of mainland China and Taiwan since the 1950s and 1960s.

It should be noted that most Chinese speak some dialects closely related to Mandarin. About 70% of the population could communicate with each other even before standard Mandarin was popular.
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Old 02-02-2017, 01:59 AM
 
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Chinese speak Chinese, Mandarin.
British, Americans speak English.

Indians speak 10 different major languages spoken by atleast 50 million people each. Which means its a Soviet Union type of setup with each one having autonomy. Combine this with a weak leadership right after independence. And finally recently when they got a man who was said "India First" he is getting the same level as response as President Trump got.

Another reason being trying to be politically correct always. After 1947 they chose a Soviet style of market policies + Western democracy.

Most important reason is, as Kanban said, people dont care much. Even people who live here in US, they flock the theatres on the day of release of their favorite heros movie.
Mandarin hardly existed before the 1950s. People of different regions all spoke different languages/dialects. Even the parts currently belonging to "mandarin" aren't able to communicated with people in the north. The southeast coast in particulary is a massive linguistic maze.

check out this map. If the central government didn't strictly enforce a one-language policy, people living in different regions (of different colors) still won't be able to talk to each other. Keep in mind the three "mandarins" are very different too (for example the red and yellow probably has 10% intelligibility). The white part is ethnic languages. Even within the small group of WU, someone from Wenzhou (zhejiang province) probably has zero intelligibility with a Shanghainese (this is from personal experience).

You said India has 10 languages each with 50 million people, well, it is exactly the same situation in China. Min is spoken by 70 million, Wu by 80 million, xiang 40 million, yue (cantonese) 60 million, hakka 30 million, Huai (east mandarin, whether it is "mandarin" is controversial) 70 million etc etc.

The Chinese don't speak the same language even today. They simply have one common language at disposal. People all speak different languages at home, and very few speak "mandarin" (putonghua) all the time and it is a misunderstanding that all non-Cantonese people speak "mandarin". They speak mandarin only with people from different regions.

India on the other hand, failed to do that. No common language, no common market, how can you expect a country to be strong? Yes, you get all the "freedom" and "rights" on the surface because nobody is forcing any language, but in the end, it doesn't work well.


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Old 02-02-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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Mandarin hardly existed before the 1950s. People of different regions all spoke different languages/dialects. Even the parts currently belonging to "mandarin" aren't able to communicated with people in the north. The southeast coast in particulary is a massive linguistic maze.

check out this map. If the central government didn't strictly enforce a one-language policy, people living in different regions (of different colors) still won't be able to talk to each other. Keep in mind the three "mandarins" are very different too (for example the red and yellow probably has 10% intelligibility). The white part is ethnic languages. Even within the small group of WU, someone from Wenzhou (zhejiang province) probably has zero intelligibility with a Shanghainese (this is from personal experience).

You said India has 10 languages each with 50 million people, well, it is exactly the same situation in China. Min is spoken by 70 million, Wu by 80 million, xiang 40 million, yue (cantonese) 60 million, hakka 30 million, Huai (east mandarin, whether it is "mandarin" is controversial) 70 million etc etc.

The Chinese don't speak the same language even today. They simply have one common language at disposal. People all speak different languages at home, and very few speak "mandarin" (putonghua) all the time and it is a misunderstanding that all non-Cantonese people speak "mandarin". They speak mandarin only with people from different regions.

India on the other hand, failed to do that. No common language, no common market, how can you expect a country to be strong? Yes, you get all the "freedom" and "rights" on the surface because nobody is forcing any language, but in the end, it doesn't work well.
Thanks for highlighting the important differences. What about education? Is the standard same across the the cities? And do private schools do better than public/government schools? Is it more learning oriented or grade oriented?
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:40 AM
 
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I don't think the form of government is really the defining difference between the two. India could have tried for a centralized government authority post decolonization with nearly everything else being the same and its issues coule be largely the same or worse.
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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how about religion? they have a lot while China somewhat stamped it out due to the CCP
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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When you consider the facts below (geographically), India should be way ahead of China, Korea and even Japan. Consider:


1. Arable land (see above argument).
2. Long Coastline - one is able to serve Asia, one Europe/Africa.
3. Lower percentage of hinterland, there really is only the Northern bit bordering Tibet/China.


Added to this, India inherited a British law system...
Agreed. Unfortunately, unlike Hong Kong it didn't acquire British roads and infrastructure.

Wait until desalinization catches on. I feel as though the long coastline will be utilized.
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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Mandarin hardly existed before the 1950s. People of different regions all spoke different languages/dialects. Even the parts currently belonging to "mandarin" aren't able to communicated with people in the north. The southeast coast in particulary is a massive linguistic maze.

check out this map. If the central government didn't strictly enforce a one-language policy, people living in different regions (of different colors) still won't be able to talk to each other. Keep in mind the three "mandarins" are very different too (for example the red and yellow probably has 10% intelligibility). The white part is ethnic languages. Even within the small group of WU, someone from Wenzhou (zhejiang province) probably has zero intelligibility with a Shanghainese (this is from personal experience).

You said India has 10 languages each with 50 million people, well, it is exactly the same situation in China. Min is spoken by 70 million, Wu by 80 million, xiang 40 million, yue (cantonese) 60 million, hakka 30 million, Huai (east mandarin, whether it is "mandarin" is controversial) 70 million etc etc.

The Chinese don't speak the same language even today. They simply have one common language at disposal. People all speak different languages at home, and very few speak "mandarin" (putonghua) all the time and it is a misunderstanding that all non-Cantonese people speak "mandarin". They speak mandarin only with people from different regions.

India on the other hand, failed to do that. No common language, no common market, how can you expect a country to be strong? Yes, you get all the "freedom" and "rights" on the surface because nobody is forcing any language, but in the end, it doesn't work well.
Thanks for the education.

Was recently in India and I will argue that English is becoming a standardized language of sorts. All forms are available in English and the new generation of kids all know English really well.
Politicians on TV mostly speak or are translated into English. I almost feel as though this will be an advantage when the west does business with India.

Excellent article and even cooler video. Garbage seems to be a huge issue.
http://indianexpress.com/article/ind...sport-4486120/

Last edited by MDCB; 02-02-2017 at 11:18 AM.. Reason: Link to video
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