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Old 01-04-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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Er, no. A lot of what the communists went off were pre developed by the Russians and Japanese during the war years of WW1 and WW2. Similarly, the KMT inherited the same infrastructure in Taiwan from the Japanese.
Read some data before arguing with me.

Learn about the productivity of steel, coal, electricity etc. in the 1940s and 1970s of China. Learn how many KMs of railways China had in the 1940s and in the 1970s, respectively.

For example, Sichuan province had ZERO railways before the Communists took over. However, in the 1970s, it already had the railways Chengdu-Chongqing, Chengdu-Kunming, Baoji-Chengdu, Xiangyang-Chongqing etc.
Did you know there was no bridge over the Yangtze River before the 1950s? Mao's government built them in Wuhan, Nanjing and so on.
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Old 01-04-2017, 06:27 PM
 
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Even today, it appears India society hasn't developed to a point that its female population can safely step out their homes and become part of productive society. Here's a recent news on mass sexual assaults on women by Indian men on New Year's day, and their officials blamed "western" dress for the sexual assault:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c9331f9a407c

In a normal street scene, there is a visible absent of female population:



And, how can there be a consumer economy when there are no women on the streets?


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Old 01-04-2017, 11:53 PM
 
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Even today, it appears India society hasn't developed to a point that its female population can safely step out their homes and become part of productive society. Here's a recent news on mass sexual assaults on women by Indian men on New Year's day, and their officials blamed "western" dress for the sexual assault:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c9331f9a407c

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...hinese-society


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In a normal street scene, there is a visible absent of female population:

And, how can there be a consumer economy when there are no women on the streets?
You need to get your eyes checked.


If China is so great, why are most of the red nationalists on this board living in democratic western countries?

Go back if the communists do such a good job. Why did Xi send his daughter to Harvard? Surely, the great leader, chairman Mao has created an excellent university dedicated to the enlightenment of the people.
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Old 01-05-2017, 12:40 AM
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...hinese-society




You need to get your eyes checked.


If China is so great, why are most of the red nationalists on this board living in democratic western countries?

Go back if the communists do such a good job. Why did Xi send his daughter to Harvard? Surely, the great leader, chairman Mao has created an excellent university dedicated to the enlightenment of the people.

Some posters are actually Americans who work in China. Your point?
China has 1.3 billion people and those who live in China do not bother to post in English.
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Old 01-05-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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Read some data before arguing with me.

Learn about the productivity of steel, coal, electricity etc. in the 1940s and 1970s of China. Learn how many KMs of railways China had in the 1940s and in the 1970s, respectively.

For example, Sichuan province had ZERO railways before the Communists took over. However, in the 1970s, it already had the railways Chengdu-Chongqing, Chengdu-Kunming, Baoji-Chengdu, Xiangyang-Chongqing etc.
Did you know there was no bridge over the Yangtze River before the 1950s? Mao's government built them in Wuhan, Nanjing and so on.
don't forget reminding him before 1950, Tibet was a slavery society where 5% of monks control all the wealth of the region, and the slaves don't have any freedom, not enough food, not to mention any access to education or healthcare. Oh, their kids would be slave to, property of their owners.

of course western media usually doesn't tell people that but rather describes pre-communist Tibet as a peaceful Scandinavia like paradise
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Old 01-05-2017, 10:52 AM
 
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If China is so great, why are most of the red nationalists on this board living in democratic western countries?

I don't know why people keep resorting this kind of moronic logic.

So Chinese live in western countries, and the only explanation is China is horrible?? I don't understand it. Americans move to Japan, France or Spain too all the time, does that mean they hate America??

In the 1990s, 99% Chinese students who studies in the US decided to stay no matter what. Nowadays, more and more are going back to China, probably approaching 30%. America offers a high standard of living, no doubt about it, but it would be stupid to argue that "oh, since china is so good, why don't you go back"?

Plenty of Europeans stay in the US and don't go back to Europe too, are you going to say the same thing to them?
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Old 01-05-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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Er, no. A lot of what the communists went off were pre developed by the Russians and Japanese during the war years of WW1 and WW2. Similarly, the KMT inherited the same infrastructure in Taiwan from the Japanese.


Anything that was "developed" by Mao basically required a lot of Soviet Union assistance, still is somewhat today e.g. military gear knock offs etc.


To some extent I'm surprised Communism albeit with changes works in China whereas India's democracy doesn't really work.
the biggest achievement Mao had was to make China a nuclear power at any cost. And looking back, he had great vision. Despite all his flaws and crimes, this one is really great.
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Old 01-05-2017, 11:22 AM
 
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Another key reason why India is economically behind is so far India still doesn't have even a national market. Each regions have the power to charge tariffs on products from other regions. It functions as many countries together, on the other hand China eliminated such barriers as early as 1950.

And the caste system. china is liberating its people at fast speed. India, not so much.
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Old 01-05-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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Er, no. A lot of what the communists went off were pre developed by the Russians and Japanese during the war years of WW1 and WW2. Similarly, the KMT inherited the same infrastructure in Taiwan from the Japanese.


Anything that was "developed" by Mao basically required a lot of Soviet Union assistance, still is somewhat today e.g. military gear knock offs etc.


To some extent I'm surprised Communism albeit with changes works in China whereas India's democracy doesn't really work.
Communism doesn't work in China. It is the chief reason that nation is not yet first world. If Chiang Kai-shek had won the war, China likely is democratic and wealthy for decades now like South Korea. Vietnam also would have been one of the mid-late 20th century "tiger" economies but for communism.


And the problem with India is not its democracy, it is the backward 3rd world society and culture. India is better than it would be currently were it a dictatorship.
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Old 01-05-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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Communism doesn't work in China. It is the chief reason that nation is not yet first world. If Chiang Kai-shek had won the war, China likely is democratic and wealthy for decades now like South Korea. Vietnam also would have been one of the mid-late 20th century "tiger" economies but for communism.


And the problem with India is not its democracy, it is the backward 3rd world society and culture. India is better than it would be currently were it a dictatorship.
no, you had it entirely wrong.

If Chiang had won China would be a first world country?? Based on what, that Taiwan is a rich country based on democracy?? Are you familiar with Taiwan history?

Taiwan didn't become a democracy until it became a rich country. It was not a democracy since 1949, was it? You shouldn't have it backwards.

I don't think dictatorship or democracy lead to prosperity. Look at today's world, VERY few countries were democracies before becoming rich countries. There are tons of countries that are democratic yet stuck in poverty for ages.

Do you think the UK, France, Germany etc are rich because they were democratically governed? Come on. We all know their history and how wealth was generated. I don't want to talk about the new world because they have completely different social historical context (plus low population and large amounts of resources).

Taiwan was a democracy for about 15 years so far, and its GDP per capital is stuck at 25k, similar to Portugal and hardly improve much. Why? Don't tell me rich countries grow slow. 25k is hardly that high yet.

China since 1949 lost 30 years and then grew like crazy in the past 35. I can't say how rich or poor it would be under Chiang (I wish I had), but it would definitely be a first world country. No one could make that happen, under any system.

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