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Old 03-21-2017, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:31 PM
 
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I don't know who would pronounce Taipei. In Mandarin, it is pronounced Taibei.

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Is Taibei = Taipei?

I didn't know they changed the spelling.
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:34 PM
 
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It's amazing how far those Japanese electronic giants have fallen. Back in the 80's and 90's, companies like Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, JVC, etc. were the most dominant in the world.
Err, no. They "fell back" in the markets due to undercutting and progress from South Korea and to some extent China as well as things becoming more modular. Japanese electronics dominated the 80s to mid 2000s as they were great at mechanical things but not software, these days, software rules see Google with Android Inc?


Japanese companies haven't fallen "back" per se but have just move towards niche markets that aren't visible to the average consumer. Many Japanese companies (Canon and another no name Japanese company) and the only 2 companies that can still supply the backend chain like OLED machines that Samsung/LG/Sharp (Taiwan) purchases to produce OLED screens. Other parts like Sony sensors, high end capacitors from Muruta are used in most Korean/Chinese/Taiwanese electronics. Many of the now outdated DVD players from China had the laser head imported from Sony Japan.


Other companies have also branched out since electronics are now commodities and no longer regarded as luxury items. Hitachi is focusing on transport, hardware things. Panasonic is now focusing on batteries and avionics, Sony on insurance and entertainment, Toshiba on nuclear power and elevators/lifts. Mitsubishi into aviation, Olympus onto medical equipment... you get the drift.


Japanese companies are much smaller in size vs conglomerates like Samsung and LG (South Korea) or Huawei (China) even at their peak in electronics. Japan Inc. seemed to have a government assisting these companies and sharing it amongst Japanese companies only if you will, sort of like a oligopoly or cartel. For example, look at the 90s Trinitron monitors, Sony invented it and basically the tech was only sold off and put in Japanese branded monitors - e.g. NEC, Mitsubishi etc. Same for stuff like Discmans, virtually no brand was non Japanese.


I don't think the South Koreans or the Chinese are yet able to high and backend machines/parts, until then, the Japanese will remain profitable. I think the challenge for the Japanese companies was to upgrade themselves onto either German or American levels - move up the value added chain for example aviation, advanced manufacturing (which they have sort of mastered), medical equipment or luxury products - the Japanese don't yet have the clout for this or the skills. They make good quality products but nothing outstanding or crafted anything like a Swiss watch. Sooner or later they'll need to upgrade themselves as South Korea and China are bound to catch up very soon in advanced manufacturing.

In general the world has gotten wealthier and moved on from electronics, so have the Japanese companies. As Japan found out in electronics, doing R&D and spending loads of cash and then being later copied and undercut by your competitors is not ideal and becomes a race to the bottom. Another thing is the lowered entry barriers - when you look at the best electronics selling devices today - mobile phones, TVs and tablets, all are basically assemblies of modular components, much easier than producing products like amps, walkmans etc of the 80s where you needed to master mechanical fittings (and a lot of things could go wrong).

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Old 03-21-2017, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Is Taibei = Taipei?

I didn't know they changed the spelling.
Well we didn't. He probably just doesn't know the proper English spelling and uses the Chinese Roman letters instead.

Anyway it's a pointless list.
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:08 PM
 
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What the hell is a Hangzhou and why is it ranked higher than Tokyo or Bangkok
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:13 PM
 
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What the hell is a Hangzhou and why is it ranked higher than Tokyo or Bangkok

Not sure but isn't the Alibaba Group and it's owner/chairman there........
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Old 03-22-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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hangzhou is a popular city in China, which probably has more tourists than Tokyo and Bangkok. How ignorant are these westerners

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Old 03-22-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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China probably has more than 20 cities with wealth that is much bigger than Bangkok

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Old 03-22-2017, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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hangzhou is a popular city in China, which probably has more tourists than Tokyo and Bangkok. How ignorant are these westerners
More tourists than Bangkok... haha, Chinese tourists maybe.
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Old 03-22-2017, 09:50 AM
 
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In your opinion, one Chinese tourist counts less than one western tourist. what a racist

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More tourists than Bangkok... haha, Chinese tourists maybe.
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