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Old 05-21-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/w...espionage.html

That's some soviet cold war stuff right there.

I blame trump and bottelli
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Old 05-21-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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Hey, China (and the Russians for that matter) have far exceeded the US capacity for cyber spying. I know this everytime I came back from PRC with my business laptop loaded with spyware.

Until we focus more resources on that, our spy network will not be secure.
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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I love Chinese culture and history but their arrogance has gone to far; couldn't they have just kept this to themselves like every other self respecting spying country, it's not something to broadcast to the world.

This is the problem with Chinese people, they have a third world personality
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:36 AM
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/w...espionage.html

That's some soviet cold war stuff right there.

I blame trump and bottelli
They talk about their informants like they are objects. When they say, we lost 18 out of 20 assets. They really mean 18 out of 20 informants got killed or is awaiting death penalty.

I also cannot understand why anyone would take such a job. The risk of death is 90%.
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Old 05-28-2017, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Hey, China (and the Russians for that matter) have far exceeded the US capacity for cyber spying. I know this everytime I came back from PRC with my business laptop loaded with spyware.

Until we focus more resources on that, our spy network will not be secure.
It's pretty ridiculous. The US gov't has wasted so much time and money building traditional armaments to fight a bunch of goat farmers who pose no real threat to the US, while its traditional adversaries (or, at the very least, rivals) have invested heavily in their cyberwarfare divisions and can deal a hell of a lot more damage to the US than any illiterate guy with an AK could ever hope to.
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Old 05-29-2017, 04:40 AM
 
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CIA agents all deserve to be killed.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:20 PM
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/b...p-factory.html
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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CIA agents all deserve to be killed.
No
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Old 05-31-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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CIA agents all deserve to be killed.
So the US should execute Chinese spies and/or Americans who sell information? 3 Chinese spies have been captured in my state (Kansas) in the last 18 months. There is no way the US will kill them. We especially won't murder them in front of the public.
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Old 05-31-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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CIA agents all deserve to be killed.
That's a bit bloodthirsty - but technically CIA agents (that is, formal CIA employees) are almost never killed no more than Russian or Chinese agents are killed (or at least very rarely, some get caught up in military conflicts or are employed as CIA "operators" in combat zones). It's considered bad spycraft, even in the darkest days of the cold war the Soviets and KGB would never harm a CIA agent, since if one side does it the other side will do it as well. These CIA agents usually have a diplomatic cover in a country with a wink and nod from the other side as they know very well what their true function is. The worst thing that happens is they get deported/kicked out.

Those referred to in the article as executed are Chinese citizens recruited by CIA employees, similar to the police using informants. There is no James Bond action going on here, just human contact with a citizen/patsy, and payments. Sometimes they don't even know they are working for the CIA, thinking it may be the press or a rival internal political group. These citizens may be politically motivated but usually they just want money.

The US will usually imprison our citizens caught up in espionage, but we have executed some of these spy/informants (Julius and Ethal Rosenburg being a good example).
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