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Old 03-02-2021, 05:42 PM
 
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We're all unhappy with the pandemic here, but this is a reminder of worse problems elsewhere.

Since America has never truly suffered like many other countries, I'm not even sure if we really grasp this. Even in Europe after WWII, women were prostitutign themselves for food.


Having Won Syria’s War, al-Assad Is Mired in Economic Woes
In a private meeting with pro-government journalists, President Bashar al-Assad was asked about Syria’s economic meltdown: the currency collapse that has gutted salaries, the skyrocketing prices for basic goods and the chronic shortages of fuel and bread. “I know,” he said, according to two people with knowledge of the discussion. “I know.” But he offered no concrete steps to stem the crisis beyond floating this idea: Television channels should cancel cooking shows so as not to taunt Syrians with images of unattainable food.
Desperate women have taken to selling their hair to feed their families. “I had to sell my hair or my body,” a mother of three said recently in a hair salon near Damascus, speaking on condition of anonymity, like others interviewed for this article, for fear of arrest. Her husband, a carpenter, was ill and only sporadically employed, she said, and she needed heating oil for the house and winter coats for her children. With the $55 she got for her hair, which will be used to make wigs, she bought two gallons of heating oil, clothes for her children and a roast chicken, the first her family had tasted in three months. She cried from shame for two days afterward.
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Old 03-02-2021, 07:15 PM
 
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During the Great Depression,women sold their bodies as well,in apt buildings in NYC,if a man is coming home and hear the clinking sound of keys in the hallway,it is a woman looking for clients?
During the Mexican financial crisis which led to Brady issuing Brady bonds to rescue Mexico,women left the house in the evening to work on the street to feed the family.
Plenty of young office clerks sell their bodies after work to make more money
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Old 03-02-2021, 08:44 PM
 
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reromanize the middle east
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Old 03-03-2021, 06:51 AM
 
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Since that regime is now a puppet of Iran and (to some extent) Russia, you would think they would come in to help. Nearby Lebanon however also is having some economic trouble.
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Old 03-04-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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Since that regime is now a puppet of Iran and (to some extent) Russia, you would think they would come in to help. Nearby Lebanon however also is having some economic trouble.
US embargo and sanctions keep them from recovery.

The US official lines is "we know" but we want to pressure Assad on political reforms.

I am skeptical that is the reason.
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Old 03-05-2021, 01:18 PM
 
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Not to belittle the struggles those women go through, but American women also sell their bodies for food on a daily basis
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Old 03-05-2021, 02:32 PM
 
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The opposition supported by the US burned the farmlands in NE Syria. They're also having to deal with the damming of the Euphrates by Turkey.

Turkey's new dam

It's also spread to Idlib governorate where both sides are accusing the other of destroying crops. In this case, it's more likely the government since they're trying to get rid of Al Qaeda and other groups supported by Turkey and other allied governments.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKCN1T51AZ

The US has no legal grounds to occupy the territories in Syria. Their initial entry of air support for ISIS was based on the creation of a fictional group called Khorasan with a 911 NYC bomb plot to invoke the 2001 AUMF.

Republicans in the Senate defeated a bill that passed the house and would've terminated that law which has been repeatedly abused to wage war.
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Old 03-05-2021, 03:15 PM
 
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US embargo and sanctions keep them from recovery.

The US official lines is "we know" but we want to pressure Assad on political reforms.

I am skeptical that is the reason.
No I don't buy that. There is one, and only one person, to blame - Assad. What caused the GLOBAL (not strictly US) sanctions? It's not political reforms, but human rights reforms. Government behavior in regards to it's human rights record and involvement in terrorism.
The US sanction for one have 6 simple requirements:
  • End to Syrian and Russian aircraft bombing civilians.
  • Iranian, Syrian and Russian forces, as well as entities connected to them, no longer restrict humanitarian access to besieged areas and allow for civilians to leave freely.
  • All political prisoners are released, and the appropriate international human rights organizations are given full access to Syria's prisons and detention facilities.
  • Bombing of “medical facilities, schools, residential areas, and community gathering places, including markets” by Syrian, Russian, Iranian forces, as well as entities connected to them, ceases.
  • The possibility for the “safe, voluntary, and dignified return of Syrians displaced by the conflict” is achieved.
  • Accountability for “perpetrators of war crimes in Syria and justice for victims of war crimes committed by the Assad regime, including by participation in a credible and independent truth and reconciliation process.
Do this and no more sanctions. Is that so tough? Assad and his witch wife stop killing your own citizens, simple as that. The sanctions by the way have exemptions for humanitarian reasons - medical supplies, food, etc.

But I don't think that is the entire reason. Assad and his buddies are war profiteers. They are stealing the citizens of his country blind. They are also spending tons of money, along with Iran, in Proxy wars against Israel, KSA, and Yemen. Supporting Hezbollah and Hamas, and on and on.
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Old 03-05-2021, 03:31 PM
 
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The US has no legal grounds to occupy the territories in Syria. Their initial entry of air support for ISIS was based on the creation of a fictional group called Khorasan with a 911 NYC bomb plot to invoke the 2001 AUMF.

Republicans in the Senate defeated a bill that passed the house and would've terminated that law which has been repeatedly abused to wage war.
huh? Welcome to the new decade. The US withdrew from northern syria way back in 2019. I am not sure if we have any troops there anymore, maybe some military advisors in the Kurdish territory.

You do know that the Biden administration just conducted an air strike in Syria right? The republicans (democrat reps as well actually) are currently pushing for just the opposite to what you stated - the limitation of Biden's decisions to take military action.
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Old 03-05-2021, 04:34 PM
 
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No I don't buy that. There is one, and only one person, to blame - Assad. What caused the GLOBAL (not strictly US) sanctions? It's not political reforms, but human rights reforms. Government behavior in regards to it's human rights record and involvement in terrorism.
The US sanction for one have 6 simple requirements:
  • End to Syrian and Russian aircraft bombing civilians.
  • Iranian, Syrian and Russian forces, as well as entities connected to them, no longer restrict humanitarian access to besieged areas and allow for civilians to leave freely.
  • All political prisoners are released, and the appropriate international human rights organizations are given full access to Syria's prisons and detention facilities.
  • Bombing of “medical facilities, schools, residential areas, and community gathering places, including markets” by Syrian, Russian, Iranian forces, as well as entities connected to them, ceases.
  • The possibility for the “safe, voluntary, and dignified return of Syrians displaced by the conflict” is achieved.
  • Accountability for “perpetrators of war crimes in Syria and justice for victims of war crimes committed by the Assad regime, including by participation in a credible and independent truth and reconciliation process.
Do this and no more sanctions. Is that so tough? Assad and his witch wife stop killing your own citizens, simple as that. The sanctions by the way have exemptions for humanitarian reasons - medical supplies, food, etc.

But I don't think that is the entire reason. Assad and his buddies are war profiteers. They are stealing the citizens of his country blind. They are also spending tons of money, along with Iran, in Proxy wars against Israel, KSA, and Yemen. Supporting Hezbollah and Hamas, and on and on.
It is the US that is at fault.

They killed the land-for-peace deal in 2006 between Israel and Syria that would have returned the Syrian Golan Heights.

The US offered normalization of relations in 2010 but this was rejected after the US waged war against Libya after the resumption of normal diplomatic ties and Libya removed any chemical and biological weapons stockpiles. After seeing the attacks by the US rebels on Ghaddaffi, the offer was flatly rejected.

The US attempted to create a civil war but was largely unsuccessful. The FSA turned out to have very few defectors from the Syrian army.

The US and its allies started the mobilization of jihadist mercenaries from N. Afria and from other parts of the world. Al Nusra was assembled by the Saudis and other ME governments with the US providing training in Turkey, Qatar, and Jordan. Jordan was provided compensation for the training base near Amman.

Al Nusra splintered into another major jihadist group ISIS after Saudi Arabia required members to pledge their loyalty. ISIS continued receiving support from Qatar. There were other extremists groups in Syria that were trained and coordinated by the US and its allies. This was leaked in a Pentagon report by Gen. Michael Flynn. It was also leaked by US newswires and Seymour Hersh who provided details of CIA operation to smuggle arms and mercenaries from Libya from Benghazi through the Turkish port of Ceyhan.

There were other myriad operations to support more than 600,000 mercenaries who were trained, paid, and coordinated by the US and its allies. Some came through the Balkans. Some came from Pakistan. Many of the most cruel fighters came from Chechnya where they fought under the CIA in the Georgian wars. They formed the Al Nusra and ISIS units that were extremely successful in the war and achieved notoriety for atrocities.

The occupation is illegal as mentioned. 911 AUMF doesn't apply unless one wants to invoke to justify a attack on any the governments and militia units opposing Syria's government. There is no UN authorization. Attempts to gain a declaration of war failed in the British House of Commons and rejected in the US Congress. Facts about the US and British complicity in the wars was well known, and the extent to which CIA fabricated intel in recent wars was noted by Obama as a key reason. Instead, he waged a covert war funded mostly by ME allies and using mercenaries. There was an implicit agreement between the US and the Saudis that the jihadists would receive military assistance as in Libya and other covert wars (See Red Line).

The sanctions are also illegal. The repeated use of prohibited weapons on civilians by the Al Nusra with the aid of US and NATO to fabricate legal cause indicate that the sanctions should be on the aggressor governments.

Your other accusations are off base as the US-backed mercenaries engaged in urban battle against the government forces and used hospitals, government buildings, etc. while traveling within cities and over large distances using extensive tunnel networks.

The sheer logistics of the undertaking of the war from the opposition side confirms the heavy foreign government involvement in instigating and continuing the war, not to mention supporting and paying 600,000 fighters for nearly 8 years. At one point, they shipped so many weapons to Syria that they ran out of new and operational weapons (see the Purple Shovel scandal).
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