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Old 04-10-2019, 08:14 PM
 
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Maybe the next "empire."


Can China Turn the Middle of Nowhere Into the Center of the World Economy?
In the barely inhabited steppes of Central Asia, it is establishing the next foothold in its trillion-dollar campaign to transform global infrastructure

The Eurasian Pole of Inaccessibility is a striking name for an absence.
About 80 miles from the Pole of Inaccessibility, just across the border in Kazakhstan, is a village called Khorgos.
Khorgos is a flagship project of this work in progress, an international shipping hub and free-trade zone that its promoters say is poised to become the next Dubai. Thanks to its location at the junction of the world’s soon-to-be-largest national economy and its largest landlocked country, Khorgos has become an unlikely harbinger of the interconnected planet: a zone fully enclosed by the logic of globalization, where goods flow freely across sovereign borders, following corridors designed to locate every human being on the planet within a totalizing network of producers and consumers, buyers and sellers.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...0C331A&gwt=pay
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:50 PM
 
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Chinas Belt and Road plan intent is to advance Chinas interests economically by establishing swifter trade routes to every part of the eastern hemisphere and to advance what it sees as its long-term military interests by establishing dominance in the south china sea and encircling India. Some of the poorer countries have become deeply indebted to China in order to secure funding for the roads and railways to be built in their country. This obviously also increases Chinas leverage on global issues. They have also recently made inroads with Italy even though the US and others are wary.














https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWOp_Z77g1A
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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It's hilarious how the west overhypes China in a desperate attempt to create a fake enemy. Their economy is slowing down in recent years and no one outside of China speaks Mandarin. The only real brake can be the same people that the west tried to destroy in ww2: eastern europe, jews, japan/korea. Anything else sounds like edgy exotic claims from 23 year olds.
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Old 04-11-2019, 12:43 PM
 
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Maybe the next "empire."


Can China Turn the Middle of Nowhere Into the Center of the World Economy?
In the barely inhabited steppes of Central Asia, it is establishing the next foothold in its trillion-dollar campaign to transform global infrastructure

The Eurasian Pole of Inaccessibility is a striking name for an absence.
About 80 miles from the Pole of Inaccessibility, just across the border in Kazakhstan, is a village called Khorgos.
Khorgos is a flagship project of this work in progress, an international shipping hub and free-trade zone that its promoters say is poised to become the next Dubai. Thanks to its location at the junction of the world’s soon-to-be-largest national economy and its largest landlocked country, Khorgos has become an unlikely harbinger of the interconnected planet: a zone fully enclosed by the logic of globalization, where goods flow freely across sovereign borders, following corridors designed to locate every human being on the planet within a totalizing network of producers and consumers, buyers and sellers.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...0C331A&gwt=pay
Ohhh my Goodness, the writers of this article never did business in China. The problem is "Free Flow" and "Sovereign borders" is not part of the China way or working. The government of China controls and micromanages all. Will they build the high technological based infrastructure needed in the middle of nowhere? I am sure they will, they do that well. What China does not do well is in terms of hands-off/cross loading/free distribution.

China is a mercantile country, there bread and butter is import and export and every bit of yuan they can milk from it, every company that deals within China has to deal with the complex government structure and/or is government owned, everything that passes through there country they want a piece of - to own, to steal, to copy, to tax, to tariff. Companies that have to deal within China do it to access China's huge customer base, basically they have to, they have no choice. But using it as a pass through distribution center? HAHA...who are they fooling. No global company in it's right mind will want to deal with it.

Besides why do we need "the next Dubai"? Did Dubai dissapear?
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Old 04-11-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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Never ever underestimate China. They have soundly defeated the US on many fronts. America has lost almost all manufacturing jobs to China. Middle class in America has disappeared while middle class in China is growing. 99% of consumer products sold in the US are made in China. Americans, after decades of losing jobs to China, now depend on China-made products in their daily life.

China will soon be a true global empire while the USA quietly becomes insignificant.
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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Never ever underestimate China. They have soundly defeated the US on many fronts. America has lost almost all manufacturing jobs to China. Middle class in America has disappeared while middle class in China is growing. 99% of consumer products sold in the US are made in China. Americans, after decades of losing jobs to China, now depend on China-made products in their daily life.

China will soon be a true global empire while the USA quietly becomes insignificant.
Nah. We heard this before with "made in Japan" in the 70s. Never OVERestimate China. Once again, China is mercantile. There strength isn't the manufacturer base, but trade, tariff, and cheap labor. Cheap labor is hurt by inflation (you no longer have the new generation of cell phone toting Chinese willing to work for a bowl of rice a day), trade is hurt by competition from India and other APAC countries, tariffs are hurt by Trump. China is in a serious downslide, to what extent we have yet to know because there books are not open. But it could be another Japan-like "lost decade".
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Old 04-11-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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It's hilarious how the west overhypes China in a desperate attempt to create a fake enemy. Their economy is slowing down in recent years and no one outside of China speaks Mandarin. The only real brake can be the same people that the west tried to destroy in ww2: eastern europe, jews, japan/korea. Anything else sounds like edgy exotic claims from 23 year olds.
The slow down is because of Trump.

Kirsten Gillibrand speaks Mandarin. I heard her say "My name is Kirsten" and some other stuff in Chinese when she was visiting VOA headquarters, stumping to be the next president of the USA. Are YOU calling her a nobody? No shame!!!
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Old 04-11-2019, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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that its promoters say is poised to become the next Dubai.
It must be true, then. Would its promoters lie?
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Old 04-11-2019, 09:20 PM
 
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trump is giving all world war 2 gains to china. Russia is a short term enemy. China is long term. CCP plans for a thousand years. They are already taking over the south china sea. One they break europe, its over. They already control africa and its resources. They already have parts of south america like argentina's space operations. The have sent troops to venzuela with the russians.


All your civil rights will be gone, you'll be speaking mandarin, and getting waterboarded and reeducated like the uighers and tibeteans in the concentration camps.


You better hope Xi goes insane like mugabe or chinese women become so educated that they won't have kids. Get old before they get rich.


https://news.yahoo.com/china-threat-...063237464.html


all your base belong to the PLA
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Old 04-12-2019, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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trump is giving all world war 2 gains to china. Russia is a short term enemy. China is long term. CCP plans for a thousand years. They are already taking over the south china sea. One they break europe, its over. They already control africa and its resources. They already have parts of south america like argentina's space operations. The have sent troops to venzuela with the russians.


All your civil rights will be gone, you'll be speaking mandarin, and getting waterboarded and reeducated like the uighers and tibeteans in the concentration camps.

All whose base?


You better hope Xi goes insane like mugabe or chinese women become so educated that they won't have kids. Get old before they get rich.


https://news.yahoo.com/china-threat-...063237464.html


all your base belong to the PLA
What WWII gains? Pacific Ocean? Lands of the king of Spain?

Our civil rights are gone since the Patriot Act.

Rumsfeld Doctrine says waterboarding is fine as long there is no organ failure, it's part of US policy.

You'll be speaking Mandarin like Hungarians are all speaking Russian. Stop with the VFW Nutcase version of "if" global dynamics. (Background -- before you were born, the Russians controlled Hungary.)

I'm a dissident American writer, why don't you quote me? Confirmation bias.
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