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Old 04-28-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by neMarL View Post
That doesn't change the fact that the numbers on that page are still country to country rather than city to city. And that Manila has more 150m buildings than Jakarta. You've got to be kidding me. And you know what it says on that page, it says:

NOTE: Counts of buildings under 150m may be incomplete.

99 vs 84 for ID and PH, respectively. Seriously?

Emporis puts the number at 172 vs 149 in favor of Metro Manila. You see the large discrepancy of the numbers between the two sites. Those are literally double the numbers. Like seriously? You still can't accept the fact?


Honey, only bunch of you here claims Jakarta has more skyscrapers than Manila. Everyone knows including and especially all SSCians, Indonesians and Filipino alike know Manila has more skyscrapers and has better skyline than Jakarta. Seriously, I don't know any site except here that Indonesians keeps claiming that. Like wth, the whole skyscraperworld knows that fact.

Manila trumps Jakarta not only in numbers but also organization and variety.
I never argue about better skyline nor i understand why you think ssci think so, but do continue the delusional grandeur.

Even the numbers you presented are fake.

https://www.emporis.com/statistics/m...ties-worldwide
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Old 04-28-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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Crucified Manila in what way? Certainly not in overall quality of life.

Mercer Quality of Living Index (the 2019 ranking just came out):
KL- 85
Bangkok- 133
Manila- 137
Jakarta- 142
Ho Chi Minh City- 153
Hanoi- 155
https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2019-quality-of-living-survey.html

Economist's Global Liveability Index (2018)
KL- 78
Bangkok- 98
Manila- 103
Hanoi- 107
HCMC- 116
Jakarta- 119
Bangkok ranks 98th in EIU Global Liveability Index

Manila is much closer to KL & Bangkok's ranking than Jakarta is. And HCMC is way at the bottom on both.

but overall Jakarta is still better more than Manila, I need to explain one by one. ranking your post will not change Jakarta in bottom from Manila
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:34 PM
 
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Which one currently has more rapid transit under construction (not just planned)? Let's say you have all the rapid transit currently open and under construction built, when would that be and how do the two compare?
Earlier this month, DDT (Double-double track) Jatinegara Manggarai Commuter line (9.5km) was opened to public.

Underconstruction
MRT Jakarta phase II (8.6km) fully underground
LRT Jabodebek (44km) fully elevated
DDT Manggarai-Cikarang Commuetr line (35km) at grade & elevated
Jakarta-Bandung HSR (142.3km) underground, at grade, & elevated

MRT Jakarta will be built simultaneously, MRT Jakarta phase III (31km) will start construction next year. Govt targets by 2025 Jakarta will have at least 56km MRT (Phase I, II, III). These are part of MRT Jakarta grand design of 231 km blueprint. Jokowi said it would be finished in a decade, but I doubt it.

LRT Jakarta phase II (7.5km) is in Feasibility study stage.
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:41 PM
 
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but overall Jakarta is still better more than Manila, I need to explain one by one. ranking your post will not change Jakarta in bottom from Manila

you're not making sense. When you combine all the different factors that go into quality of life, Manila is objectively better than Jakarta, on both major quality of life indexes. And you said Ho Chi Minh City was better than Manila? Where?
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Old 04-28-2019, 08:16 PM
 
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Honey, only bunch of you here claims Jakarta has more skyscrapers than Manila. Everyone knows including and especially all SSCians, Indonesians and Filipino alike know Manila has more skyscrapers and has better skyline than Jakarta. Seriously, I don't know any site except here that Indonesians keeps claiming that. Like wth, the whole skyscraperworld knows that fact.

Manila trumps Jakarta not only in numbers but also organization and variety.
Nope, I'm also SSC member. Jakarta-MM are still on par, debatable which one is better, go down to subjective opinion and taste. One stands out because of quality and height of the buildings, the other for its density and centralized CBDs.

In SSC, skyscraper is known as habitable building more than 200 m in height. And Jakarta currently has the MOST number of skyscrapers in Southeast Asia. SSC members don't care about 100s meter building that much, so I can not tell exactly which city has more of these.
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Old 04-28-2019, 11:59 PM
 
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Looks similar area in between Jakarta & Manila ( not Area CBD ) how real life is clearly visible

JAKARTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVMgr0iAtyk

MANILA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KgCDM63F4Q
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Old 04-29-2019, 12:30 AM
 
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❤ one of my favorite places is perfect for a hangout and one of the favorite places for residents of Jakarta especially weekends is almost full of visitors. in Manila only shows walkable and of course Jakarta has advantages such as food, culture, skyscrapercity, transportation etc.
West and south Jakarta has almost the same attraction people to come
yeah .. West Jakarta is usually in neo soho/central park / taman anggrek is crowded and never deserted visitor, in the South Jakarta it is usually crowded in the Blok M plaza area .btw in area Sudirman - Thamrin is more alive now because there is already MRT station and it is no wonder morning and night we to see many people especially in Bundaran HI area
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Old 04-29-2019, 03:22 AM
 
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Last year, 80 km pedestrian way has been revitalized. This year, another 80 km. Currently Jakarta has around 540 km long pedestrian way all over the city.

I have to admit that some is not in good condition, esp in crowded commercial areas far from main roads.

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Old 04-29-2019, 05:49 AM
 
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Looks similar area in between Jakarta & Manila ( not Area CBD ) how real life is clearly visible

JAKARTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVMgr0iAtyk

MANILA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KgCDM63F4Q

Not comparable. Ermita was built in the 16th century. It's one of the oldest parts of Manila. Mostly destroyed during WW2 and most of it wasn't rebuilt because business moved to other parts of the city. So you're comparing an old, forgotten neighborhood to a newer area in South Jakarta. Blok M was built in the 1980s and 90s.

The area in your video reminds me more of Cubao (built around the same time as Blok M). Except Cubao seems to have a lot more street-level activity


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLt8XJfBe84


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCJB4HH82z4

Cubao isnt close to Makati, BGC, Ortigas, etc. It's its own area
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Old 04-29-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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I never argue about better skyline nor i understand why you think ssci think so, but do continue the delusional grandeur.

Even the numbers you presented are fake.

https://www.emporis.com/statistics/m...ties-worldwide
Which one is fake? That Manila is at rank 93? And Jakarta is there at 16? Or the numbers? FYI, Manila is mere city of over 1 million people. We are talking here about Metro Manila with pop of about 13million, the Philippines National Capital Region versus Jakarta the metro with 10million(11m?). Emporis doesn't group cities in Metro Manila into one as it recogizes them as separate cities even though they are agglomerated into one continuous metropolis similar to how Jakarta cities/districts are organized. I already gave you the overall completed 150m figures when I personally counted them.

Metro Manila- (Total)172
*Quezon City- 22
*Manila City- 18
*Taguig-29
*Pasig-11
*Makati-65
*Mandaluyong- 27
https://www.emporis.com/country/100131/philippines


Jakarta- (Total)149
https://www.emporis.com/city/100259/jakarta-indonesia

The link you gave is showing and takes into consideration not only completed buildings but also underconstruction and planned ones that is the reason why Jakarta has 181 instead of just the 149 I counted. And since cities in Metro Manila are counted separately the ranking gives you the cities of Makati, Taguig, Mandaluyong and Manila at 48,86,90,93;respectively instead of putting them into one homogeneous figure.

https://www.emporis.com/statistics/m...ties-worldwide

16 Jakarta 181 ( Total )- 181


48 Makati 91
86 Taguig 44
90 Mandaluyong 39
93 Manila 37
- Subtotal - 211
12 Metro Manila ( Grand Total )- 276

Using the figures on those 4 cities alone it is already more than 30 what you have there in Jakarta. That doesn't even include yet Pasig and Quezon City which has 31 and 34, respectively. Combining all 150m in Metro Manila with these 6 cities that totals to 276. That's 95 more than Jakarta has. That makes it 12th worldwide again using the link you gave.

https://www.emporis.com/city/100390/...ty-philippines
https://www.emporis.com/city/100397/...ll-buildings/1

This is one reason this site appears to be more reliable as they put cities in the world as one metropolitan agglomeration rather than counting metro cities/districts separately.

https://tudl0867.home.xs4all.nl/skylines.html

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Nope, I'm also SSC member. Jakarta-MM are still on par, debatable which one is better, go down to subjective opinion and taste. One stands out because of quality and height of the buildings, the other for its density and centralized CBDs.

In SSC, skyscraper is known as habitable building more than 200 m in height. And Jakarta currently has the MOST number of skyscrapers in Southeast Asia. SSC members don't care about 100s meter building that much, so I can not tell exactly which city has more of these.
Many SSCians still defines skyscraper as building 150m above that's the consensus(maybe not on SSC) but on most sites(CTBUH,Emporis,etc) and even some still use 100m as benchmark. I understand Jakarta has more 200m above but nope it is not the concluded basis yet of it being called skyscraper currently, maybe in the decades to come as buildings go taller that can be the norm. Even so using the 200m benchmark, the difference isn't that much either.

Most cities skyline would be on par except the behemoths if we judge them SUBJECTIVELY, that's why we are looking into them OBJECTIVELY. Manila isn't short when we speak of quality of buildings. Difference is in Jakarta they are mostly concentrated in an area or stretch of avenue while Manila spread all throughout its CBDs.

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