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Old 01-15-2019, 08:13 PM
 
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in almost same land area and population ur visitor still lag behind vietnam
Yeah? OK. Vietnam gets more tourists. So does Thailand. So does South Korea. I dont dispute any of that. But the fact is, that the Philippines gets more tourists relative to its population than Indonesia
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Old 01-15-2019, 08:48 PM
 
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Its normal because Indonesia got travel warning many times but ur safest country cant beat vietnam tourism?

Is that a joke? The Philippines has tons of travel warnings because of terrorism in the south. We also have a crazy president. There are many reasons why people would NOT come to the Philippines. Dont make excuses for Indonesia. The Philippines' reputation is just as bad.


And why do we keep talking about Vietnam? Vietnam isnt part of this thread.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:01 PM
 
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Yeah? OK. Vietnam gets more tourists. So does Thailand. So does South Korea. I dont dispute any of that. But the fact is, that the Philippines gets more tourists relative to its population than Indonesia
Who on earth cares about the number of tourists arrival relative to population and areas? There's no point of doing so, unless you wanna make excuses.

In 2018 Indonesia welcomes more tourists than Philippines, by huge margin, 16 million vs 6 million. A lil miss from initial target of 17 million visitors due to many natural disasters.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:10 PM
 
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I'm not even talking about projects that are more than 2 years off. What's the point? That's too far in the future. Manila's subway lines aren't here yet, so let's not talk as if they exist already. And LRT Jabodebek wont even be done until the middle of 2021.
It means modern Jakarta has better planning. Current Manila's MRT and LRT are decades old without noticeable development.

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You say that people in Jakarta dont like to walk. That sounds like an excuse. If they dont like to walk, then why do all those people walk on the street during car-free days? Clearly the people like to walk outside. It's just that the infrastructure doesnt allow them to walk. That's why they have to have car-free days so people can walk. He even talks about it in the video.
Excuse of what? Excuse is when I say I don't like something, just to cover the fact that I don't have that particular thing. Does Jakarta have NO pedestrian way? NO. It has LOTS OF them all over the city.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:10 PM
 
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Who on earth cares about the number of tourists arrival relative to population and areas? There's no point of doing so, unless you wanna make excuses.

In 2018 Indonesia welcomes more tourists than Philippines, by huge margin, 16 million vs 6 million. A lil miss from initial target of 17 million visitors due to many natural disasters.

You have to do it relative to population. Everything is relative. Just like comparing GDP. You have to do it per capita. You expect a much larger country with a much larger population to have more tourists. That's normal. It's like comparing Singapore to Malaysia. Which one has more tourists? Of course Malaysia has more tourists. But Singapore is much smaller. So compare the relative size, and you'll see that Singapore gets a large share of tourists relative to its size. You're more likely to run into tourists in Singapore than Malaysia.

In the same way, the Philippines gets a larger share relative to its size than Indonesia. In other words, if you're somewhere in the Philippines, the chances of meeting a foreign tourist are higher than if you were in Indonesia.

The Philippines has all kinds of natural disasters, every year. Always a typhoon, sometimes earthquakes. But its tourists numbers continue to grow every year. I just hope this crazy president doesnt ruin it. So far he hasnt

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Old 01-15-2019, 09:20 PM
 
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It means modern Jakarta has better planning. Current Manila's MRT and LRT are decades old without noticeable development.


Excuse of what? Excuse is when I say I don't like something, just to cover the fact that I don't have that particular thing. Does Jakarta have NO pedestrian way? NO. It has LOTS OF them all over the city.

Yeah but the new MRT will be brand new and even longer than your first MRT/LRT combined. Both are opening this year, so it's reasonable to compare. We can speculate about future projects, but it's still too far in the future

You have sidewalks and pedestrian bridges that go over highways, like we have all over Manila. But you dont give people areas that are desirable to walk around. Those areas are taken up by cars. That's why when you have car-free days, everyone enjoys walking in the streets. People want to walk around and be outside, but they cant unless it's car-free day.
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:41 PM
 
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The guys in that video are using the tracks illegally. They want to avoid the traffic and avoid paying for the train.
Not as simple as that. Despite having worse traffic (like u said) and way longer railway tracks, Jakarta doesn't have those sad things anymore. Those Manilans desperately need affordable public transportation.

Jakartans are luckier to have cheap extensive BRT system with as low as Rp 3,500 or less than 50 cents US Dollar in one trip, no matter how far it is. And currently there are more than 2,400 buses in service.

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Old 01-15-2019, 09:58 PM
 
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You have to do it relative to population. Everything is relative. Just like comparing GDP. You have to do it per capita. You expect a much larger country with a much larger population to have more tourists. That's normal. It's like comparing Singapore to Malaysia. Which one has more tourists? Of course Malaysia has more tourists. But Singapore is much smaller. So compare the relative size, and you'll see that Singapore gets a large share of tourists relative to its size. You're more likely to run into tourists in Singapore than Malaysia.

In the same way, the Philippines gets a larger share relative to its size than Indonesia. In other words, if you're somewhere in the Philippines, the chances of meeting a foreign tourist are higher than if you were in Indonesia.

The Philippines has all kinds of natural disasters, every year. Always a typhoon, sometimes earthquakes. But its tourists numbers continue to grow every year. I just hope this crazy president doesnt ruin it. So far he hasnt
So the point of having tourist arrival percapita is? Bigger chance of bumping into tourist? What's for?
It's logic to have GDP percapita since you wanna know how wealthy the citizen per person is. BUT tourist arrival? I still don't get it. LOL

Typhoons don't bring as much damage as earthquakes and tsunamis, anyone knows about this. And typhoons happen annually and predictable, so nothing's new. It won't cause that much shock. Just look at how widely reported around the globe were Lombok earthquake and Palu earthquake and tsunamis. It would surely effect tourist arrival.
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:10 PM
 
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Not as simple as that. Despite having worse traffic (like u said) and way longer railway tracks, Jakarta doesn't have those sad things anymore. Those Manilans desperately need affordable public transportation.

Jakartans are luckier to have cheap extensive BRT system with as low as Rp 3,500 or less than 50 cents US Dollar in one trip, no matter how far it is. And currently there are more than 2,400 buses in service.


Did you watch the video? Nobody mentioned anything about price. They just said it was quicker and there's no traffic. This is the Filipino way of short-cutting. If you live close to the track, it's easier to just catch a ride on the track on the illegal "train" than to get on the road and wait in traffic, or go to the train station. Keep in mind that the track is for the commuter line, so the train stations are further apart than LRT or MRT. If you live near the track, the illegal train is right there waiting. Filipinos are always finding ways to make short-cuts.

The trains in the Philippines are cheap. The MRT is only 28 pesos (54 cents) going from one end of the line to the other (17 km). If you're only going part of the way, it's like 38 cents.

LRT 1 is only 30 pesos (57 cents) if you're going from one end to the other. But most people dont travel the full 20 km.

LRT 2 is 25 pesos (48 cents) to go the full 14 km.

The commuter train is 60 pesos ($1.15) from one end to the other, but it's a 56 km journey, much longer than the other trains.

UV Express vans (a very common way to get around Manila) are 2 pesos per km. So even a longer commute would be less than a dollar, and you're in air-conditioning (better than jeepneys)


The BRT looks nice though. Good idea. Manila has too many different bus companies competing and clogging up the roads. There are bus lanes, but they dont seem as efficient.
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:15 PM
 
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So the point of having tourist arrival percapita is? Bigger chance of bumping into tourist? What's for?
It's logic to have GDP percapita since you wanna know how wealthy the citizen per person is. BUT tourist arrival? I still don't get it. LOL

Typhoons don't bring as much damage as earthquakes and tsunamis, anyone knows about this. And typhoons happen annually and predictable, so nothing's new. It won't cause that much shock. Just look at how widely reported around the globe were Lombok earthquake and Palu earthquake and tsunamis. It would surely effect tourist arrival.

Well, you have a much larger country (both land area and population), more cities, which means more accommodations, more people, which means more hotel workers, so you naturally support more tourists. So you should except more tourists. It's logical. It's like asking why the US has more tourists than Canada. The bigger country with more people is going to be able to support more tourists. The Philippines is a smaller country, so everything is going to be on a small scale.
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