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Old 01-21-2019, 12:36 AM
 
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not love white or worshipers, Indo is not the same as Pinoys, but the reality of Indonesia / Bali is that more Western People visitors come from rich countries,but still the visitor rating is chinese, not wrong in all the discussion topics almost most of filipinos are always proud of korean tourists who visit and live there,your like K.Pop, K.Drama or Small eye ? if you in Jakarta you want to see Korea (sorry Korean face) only go to 90% CP with so many people with oriental face hahaha

You worship whites and you wish Indonesia would get recolonized by the Dutch so that you can become more western.



Koreans, Chinese and other Asians are not less than white people. You're implying that white people are better than Asians. You're just showing how much you hate yourself. No matter how many whites visit Bali, it doesnt make you a white person.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:47 AM
 
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You worship whites and you wish Indonesia would get recolonized by the Dutch so that you can become more western.



Koreans, Chinese and other Asians are not less than white people. You're implying that white people are better than Asians. You're just showing how much you hate yourself. No matter how many whites visit Bali, it doesnt make you a white person.
You don't understand my comments, you have to understand before you comment, you start by creating a tourist topic, I comment according to the fact because most visitors in Bali are white people and some from china and Japan you still argue hehehe,sorry how pinays or women in your country are obsessed married with white men so them can live in a western country hahaha

back to topic.. Manila must improve more advanced especially the infrastructure and poverty. Jakarta is already in front , manila must really ready afraid it Ho Chi Minh will crucify Manila

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Old 01-21-2019, 01:17 AM
 
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You don't understand my comments, you have to understand before you comment, you start by creating a tourist topic, I comment according to the fact because most visitors in Bali are white people and some from china and Japan you still argue hehehe, sorry how pinays or women in your country are obsessed with married a white men to live in a western country hahaha

back to topic.. Manila must improve more advanced especially the infrastructure and poverty. Jakarta is already in front , manila must really ready afraid it Ho Chi Minh will crucify Manila
Yes, you are hard to understand, but I understand you perfectly. You're not fooling anyone. Look at your comment.

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hopping is full of white people even many world famous people visit Bali .
So Bali is always a favorite of western countries like UK, USA, German, France, Russia, Belgium etc, because all people from western countries very like example like entertainment, beaches, resorts, temples, culture,bars,cafe etc are all perfectly presented, how do Philipines attract tourism? ?? you're still proud of 1 million Koreans coming to visited and live in Philipines?
You're bragging that Bali gets a lot of white people, and you're laughing that the Philippines gets a lot of Koreans. You clearly think that white people are superior to Asians. You need to realize that you hate yourself.


Also, the Philippines already has a $180 billion infrastructure project underway. And Spain has just offered 300 million euros for infrastructure projects in the Philippines
Spain offers 300-million euro loan to finance infra projects in PH - Manila Standard


You have not proved that Jakarta is in front. It's in front in some aspects, but not most aspects. Here's my post from earlier:

-Indonesia ranks lower than the Philippines in both HDI and IHDI rankings. HDI for the Philippines is .699. For Indonesia, it's .694
| Human Development Reports

-For IHDI (which is HDI adjusted for inequality), the Philippines scores .574, while Indonesia scores .563
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y-adjusted_HDI

-Indonesia has more tourists in raw numbers, but the Philippines wins in more tourists per capita. Indonesia is one of the least-touristed countries on earth, right up there with Papua New Guinea.
'Overtourism': Countries with the most tourists per head of population

-Jakarta has more tourists in terms of overall numbers and per capita. 3.5 million compared to 1.3 million.

-The Philippines has more foreigners living and working in the country, in raw numbers and per capita. 115,000 v.s. 74,000
https://www.emigrate.co.uk/news/2018...-expat-workers
https://www.ibai.or.id/news/item/288...indonesia.html

-Something not mentioned yet. Jakarta has a lower crime rate, even before the drug war started in Manila. Manila doesnt have the crime rate of Latin American cities or even a lot of American cities (yet), but it's still has a lot more crime than Jakarta.

-Jakarta has an airport that is ranked higher.

-Jakarta has more train lines. By the end of this year, Jakarta will have 9 lines: 6 commuter, 1 MRT, 1 LRT, 1 line servicing the airport. Manila will have 5 lines this year: 2 MRT, 2 LRT, 1 commuter. Manila also has a river ferry with 12 stations.

-Jakarta has more and bigger highways. Jakarta also has a more efficient bus system.

-Manila has less traffic congestion, with commuters spending slightly less time in traffic. 66 minute commute in Manila vs 68 minutes in Jakarta. So Jakarta's highways dont seem very effective if the city still has more traffic than Manila.
Worst city traffic in Asia: Metro Manila ranks 3rd - Trade Union Congress of the Philippines

-Jakarta has more cars.

-Manila has a higher walkability score. 67 in Manila vs 48 in Jakarta
https://www.ictct.net/migrated_2014/...n%20Cities.pdf

-Manila has more skyscrapers. Metro Manila has 233, Jakarta has 165. Manila has 79 skyscrapers currently under-construction, while Jakarta has 21 skyscrapers under-construction. These numbers dont include planned skyscrapers that havent started construction yet.
https://www.emporis.com/

-Manila has more open green/park space. 13% compared to 9% in Jakarta.
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...this-year.html
https://www.scribd.com/document/1097...e-Green-Spaces

-Manila is ranked 137, while Jakarta is ranked 142 on Mecer's 2018 quality of living survey.
https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2018...ng-survey.html

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Old 01-21-2019, 01:38 AM
 
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18 million vehicles.
https://finance.detik.com/berita-eko...ta-setiap-hari

You guys really love to talk big, don't you?! PNR only has 70k max daily ridership.

https://www.bworldonline.com/pnr-buy...rom-indonesia/

From Wiki, LRT1 has 500 k, LRT2 has 200 K, MRT3 has 560 k daily ridership. But you said Manila MRT/LRT has total 1.5+ million daily ridership? show me the source please. I hate dishonesty.

Anyway .....

Currently TransJakarta BRT has 0.66 million daily ridership.

https://properti.kompas.com/read/201...makin-diminati

KRL has 1.2 million daily ridership.

https://www.liputan6.com/bisnis/read...umpang-di-2020

I don't include ordinary trains to neighboring cities.
If you want you can add ordinary buses, angkots, taxis, etc. Plus the growing ride hailing giants GoJek vs Grab. Bajaj and becak are ban in main roads coz they are too slow, worsen traffic. And I thought Jakarta's traffic WAS that bad as your friend said, turn out it is quite on par with growing traffic in Manila, average 68 minutes in Jakarta vs 66 minutes in MetroManila

Worst city traffic in Asia: Metro Manila ranks 3rd - Trade Union Congress of the Philippines
Okay, I may have mixed them up incorrectly with the 1.5 but I also got it messed up with KRL. It was supposed to be 1.2 million ridership or if we round off it is actually nearer to 1.3 million daily ridership with Manilas MRT\LRT lines plus 100k with PNR for a total of 1.4 million daily ridership. While for KRL it is actually 0.95 daily ridership not 1.2 as you claim. 1.2 million is the capacity not the actual daily ridership, do you think you can fool me by posting an article in Bahasa. So that 0.3 million diffrence is still correct for the rail/metro ridership between Manila and Jakarta which makes it 0.4 million difference when we add the PNR. Your Transjakarta figure doesnt count as it would be offset by the bus daily ridership of P2Ps, city buses in Metro Manila when you combine your BRT and citybuses in Jakarta. We can do separate counting on that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRL_Commuterline

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNR_Metro_Commuter_Line

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tran...n_Metro_Manila

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...he_Philippines

These figures alone in EDSA in 2015, puts daily ridership about more than 2 million for bus ridership southbound and northbound combined. These doesnt include other routes yet. So your BRT 0.6 miilion argument argument would definitely be offset by the bus system in Metro Manila. I can find more current update later.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1548058465047

Now for the traffic, try these figures. Jakarta as usual tops Manila in traffic congestion and that is despite you claiming it has better public transportation. Omg

https://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/traffic...LL&country=ALL

https://www.archdaily.com/870192/the...problems-image

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html

Jakarta is literally 3rd worst in the world in traffic congestion behind Mexico City and Bangkok accdg to the ranking above.

INRIX Global Traffic Scorecard

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...-in-the-world/

Again, Jakarta is next to Bangkok on the ranking above.

Would you like me show more?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ta-alternative

Manila may have traffic woes as well but Jakarta has worse and Bangkok worst.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rap...study-bcg-uber
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:46 AM
 
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Hi Manolopo you are always boasting , and do not understand my comments and I always write based on facts because Bali is the world's best destination no 4. many visitors come from western and rich countries .. Indonesia is not a remote country and islolation and far from neighbors like philipines and philipines not a favorite country to visit , I saw some vidio foreign tourists visiting Manila, almost all of them had negative impressions, some said that Manila was dirty, smelly, I always held my bag, I was afraid of being crazy, traffic was bad, poor and etc . nahhh compared to Jakarta there are many positive impressions than negative from foreign visitors.You're always jealous Indonesia has a lot of foreign / westren country visitors come Indonesia, not like the Philippines, there has been no progress in tourism hehe pity you so jealous are you ??moreover infrastructure
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:54 AM
 
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You worship whites and you wish Indonesia would get recolonized by the Dutch so that you can become more western.



No matter how many whites visit Bali, it doesnt make you a white person.
again nice about tourist in bali aww love it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oRmVNGu7R0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_JHPJ5fjw

what about manila ?? ha ha ha
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:57 AM
 
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Singapore gets a ton of tourists per capita because it's doing well in tourism. They beat the Philippines, Indonesia, and most countries in that aspect. I dont have a problem admitting that. Vietnam also beats the Philippines in tourist arrivals, per capital and raw numbers. Cambodia doesnt beat the Philippines in raw numbers, but it beats us in per capita arrivals. So that shows me that Cambodia is doing very well for itself, and actually better than the Philippines in that aspect. Because per capita is what matters. I could simply look at the raw numbers and say "Cambodia is worse than the Philippines in tourism" but then I have to remember that it's a much smaller country in both population and land area.

I dont have a problem admitting when a country is better than the Philippines at something. If you saw my other post, I've mentioned several things that Jakarta/Indonesia beats Manila/Philippines. You're just really hostile about everything. Cut the "honey" crap out.

You mentioned this earlier
"Number of people taking out money is more important than number of people bringing in money? And you feel proud about it. "

Ok, if money is important, then lets look at how much tourism contributes to GDP of both countries. 66 billion USD in the Philippines vs 59 billion in Indonesia.

https://www.wttc.org/-/media/files/r...onesia2018.pdf

So if money is more important to you, well then the Philippines' tourism industry is winning in that aspect.

But I really dont think more tourists makes a better country or city. HCMC gets more tourists than Manila or Jakarta, but that doesnt make it a better city. It doesnt even have a train line. So sometimes tourist arrivals are an indication of a better city (Singapore, for example), but sometimes it's not.

I don't know what that is, and I can't find any official report from our Govt about it. And when you read the report, it's not even reporting about total money earned from those foreign tourists visiting your country. More of total money circulating that has connection with tourism inside your country. Read it carefully, honey ...

About money generated from international tourists visiting your country, you better look at UNWTO (United Nation World Tourism Organization), not some random agency.
In 2015 Indonesia earned USD 12 Billion vs Philippines USD 6.4 Billion.

https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/ind...PT.CD/rankings
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Old 01-21-2019, 02:07 AM
 
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Hi Manolopo you are always boasting , and do not understand my comments and I always write based on facts because Bali is the world's best destination no 4. many visitors come from western and rich countries .. Indonesia is not a remote country and islolation and far from neighbors like philipines and philipines not a favorite country to visit , I saw some vidio foreign tourists visiting Manila, almost all of them had negative impressions, some said that Manila was dirty, smelly, I always held my bag, I was afraid of being crazy, traffic was bad, poor and etc . nahhh compared to Jakarta there are many positive impressions than negative from foreign visitors.You're always jealous Indonesia has a lot of foreign / westren country visitors come Indonesia, not like the Philippines, there has been no progress in tourism hehe pity you so jealous are you ??moreover infrastructure
If you stay in the old part of Manila, then yes, you'll get a bad impression of the city. But that's only a small part of Manila.



Plenty of travel vloggers are saying positive things about Manila:

He said it's one of his favorite cities






They said it reminds them of New York. LOL. I dont agree. But it's still a positive view




The girl is Thai btw, not Filipina


He said it reminds him of Miami


This couple is pleasantly surprised by the historic part of Manila


these guys even love the bad part of Manila


She's also Thai btw, not Filipina






This couple even said they could live in BGC



Tell me how many foreigners are saying they could live in Jakarta? Not many

Notice how in all the videos, you see the travel vloggers actually walking around.

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Old 01-21-2019, 02:54 AM
 
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Okay, I may have mixed them up incorrectly with the 1.5 but I also got it messed up with KRL. It was supposed to be 1.2 million ridership or if we round off it is actually nearer to 1.3 million daily ridership with Manilas MRT\LRT lines plus 100k with PNR for a total of 1.4 million daily ridership. While for KRL it is actually 0.95 daily ridership not 1.2 as you claim. 1.2 million is the capacity not the actual daily ridership, do you think you can fool me by posting an article in Bahasa. So that 0.3 million diffrence is still correct for the rail/metro ridership between Manila and Jakarta which makes it 0.4 million difference when we add the PNR. Your Transjakarta figure doesnt count as it would be offset by the bus daily ridership of P2Ps, city buses in Metro Manila when you combine your BRT and citybuses in Jakarta. We can do separate counting on that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRL_Commuterline

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNR_Metro_Commuter_Line

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tran...n_Metro_Manila

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...he_Philippines

These figures alone in EDSA in 2015, puts daily ridership about more than 2 million for bus ridership southbound and northbound combined. These doesnt include other routes yet. So your BRT 0.6 miilion argument argument would definitely be offset by the bus system in Metro Manila. I can find more current update later.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1548058465047

Now for the traffic, try these figures. Jakarta as usual tops Manila in traffic congestion and that is despite you claiming it has better public transportation. Omg

https://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/traffic...LL&country=ALL

https://www.archdaily.com/870192/the...problems-image

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html

Jakarta is literally 3rd worst in the world in traffic congestion behind Mexico City and Bangkok accdg to the ranking above.

INRIX Global Traffic Scorecard

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...-in-the-world/

Again, Jakarta is next to Bangkok on the ranking above.

Would you like me show more?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ta-alternative

Manila may have traffic woes as well but Jakarta has worse and Bangkok worst.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rap...study-bcg-uber
Offset? What kind of joke is that?

BRT is different from regular buses honey. Jakarta also has tons of regular buses all over the city. But one can easily tell whether it's BRT or regular bus. By your logic, MRT and LRT are no different from commuter line and regular train then. Build one lah so you know what it's like.

Look again at those traffic ranking, is Manila or Philippines even there, Honey?
Is Manila too unimportant so they don't get the urge to include it. I'm seriously asking.
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:28 AM
 
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If you stay in the old part of Manila, then yes, you'll get a bad impression of the city. But that's only a small part of Manila.

Plenty of travel vloggers are saying positive things about Manila:

Tell me how many foreigners are saying they could live in Jakarta? Not many

Notice how in all the videos, you see the travel vloggers actually walking around.
I have a large number of vlogger and expats filming in Manila these days.

Usually when they are in Jakarta, they tend to end up at that large monument with the expansive cement stretching out everywhere.... I've seen a few going through some alleys as well (which look kind of cool)...but they are a bit off-course from other things.

Anyway, it seems most vloggers go more for Bali/Lombok and such way over Jakarta. But if someone wants to share some Jakarta foreign vlogger videos...I'd love to see them!
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