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Old 01-21-2019, 11:26 PM
 
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Well no. Jakarta's nominal GDP is $180 billion. The Philippines' nominal GDP is $330 billion. Manila's GDP is $125 billion. So Jakarta has a higher nominal GDP and per capita GDP. So Jakarta is richer than Manila.
Your country shall distribute the development to other regions ASAP. MetroManila accounts more than 30% of Phil's total GDP.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:08 AM
 
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How is more cars better? I guess that shows the completely different mindset that the Jakarta posters have. More cars, more highways = better city? Atlanta and Los Angeles follow the "more cars, bigger highways" mindset, and they still have the worst traffic in the US. Meanwhile, cities in Chicago and NYC are cities that people actually want to visit, and they're not car-centric. More pedestrian-friendly


Also, how about things that actually matter, like more parks and green spaces? Manila has a higher percentage of green spaces. 13% vs 9% in Jakarta
https://www.scribd.com/document/1097...e-Green-Spaces
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...en-spaces.html


But you're on here bragging about more cars and how people in Manila are too poor to afford them. Do you even have a nice car? Just because you post videos of people driving Mclarens in your city doesnt mean you own one. Their wealth is not your wealth. I'm sorry
The shift from private cars to public transportation have to happen naturally. Which one suites the people better, let them judge. That's why Jakarta Govt focuses on building this and that and let the market decide, instead of strictly limit anything cars-related just to make the city look fancy for certain class. That's easy peasy but not humane and fair for the less lucky ones. We don't want to witness any improper kind of transportation take place in our land just because the poorer class doesn't have option to commute, like that trolley thing in Manila.

This is Jakarta's BRT network map. It covers most area of the city.



And this is rail based public transportation plan (Commuter line, airport train, MRT and LRT)

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Old 01-22-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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The shift from private cars to public transportation have to happen naturally. Which one suites the people better, let them judge. That's why Jakarta Govt focuses on building this and that and let the market decide, instead of strictly limit anything cars-related just to make the city look fancy for certain class. That's easy peasy but not humane and fair for the less lucky ones. We don't want to witness any improper kind of transportation take place in our land just because the poorer class doesn't have option to commute, like that trolley thing in
Lol you also had that kind of transportation before sweetie you just prohibited it lately. The only difference is ours is democracy putting so much agency on its citizens. Yours is somehow totalitarian putting so much pressure and rules on its citizens cloaking in a democracy form since you are majority Muslim country.

Dont act as if you are better. Wait for you to have shinkansen level rail before you brag. Pathetic.

Another keeps inserting Bali when the topic is Manila vs Jakarta, while you keeps inserting Indonesia and your other cities. Stay on the topic. Create a new thread for those, its not only Indonesian cities rising up.
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:47 PM
 
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Another keeps inserting Bali when the topic is Manila vs Jakarta
Lol pinoys always start first outside the thread and I reply and pinoys looks like jealous with tourist in Indonesia and claim that Indonesia has less tourist nahhh you pinoys must coming to Bali can see million tons of foreign tourists are there
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:09 PM
 
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Lol you also had that kind of transportation before sweetie you just prohibited it lately. The only difference is ours is democracy putting so much agency on its citizens. Yours is somehow totalitarian putting so much pressure and rules on its citizens cloaking in a democracy form since you are majority Muslim country.
Because our govt knew that thing existed "lately" as well since it run on inactive rail track in a slum area, still it was forbidden after all. And that one in Manila runs on active rail track passed by trains many times a day, I can't imagine the amount of negligence given by your authorities in this case.

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Dont act as if you are better. Wait for you to have shinkansen level rail before you brag. Pathetic.
Only a third world mind thinks that shinkansen is a benchmark of modernity. Never mind, Indonesia will have one HSR soon. And coming from a country that measly has 70 km railway network, you must be very dense not to have self reflection about anything. Even a tiny Singapore has twice that length (Singapore has more rail percapita )
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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The shift from private cars to public transportation have to happen naturally. Which one suites the people better, let them judge. That's why Jakarta Govt focuses on building this and that and let the market decide, instead of strictly limit anything cars-related just to make the city look fancy for certain class. That's easy peasy but not humane and fair for the less lucky ones. We don't want to witness any improper kind of transportation take place in our land just because the poorer class doesn't have option to commute, like that trolley thing in Manila.

This is Jakarta's BRT network map. It covers most area of the city.



And this is rail based public transportation plan (Commuter line, airport train, MRT and LRT)

Well, the Philippine government doesnt stop people from buying cars. It's just that a lot of people cant afford them, or they dont think it's worth it because there are many other options to get around. It's not like in most US cities, where if you dont have a car, it's really hard to get around. Poor people in Manila always have access to tricycles and jeepneys, they're cheap and they're in every neighborhood. If they need to go longer distances, they take buses or trains, these are also very cheap. Middle-class people take all of those options too, but they also use Grab, taxis, UV Express, or they have their own car. If you live near the Pasig River, then the ferry is an option. People who live near work can walk. This is especially true if you live in or near places like Makati or BGC. You really dont need a car in those areas.

The people in the video never said they take the illegal train because they cant afford another way. They just said it's more convenient. Like if you live right there on the tracks, then it's easier to just get on the illegal train rather than getting on the road, sitting in traffic, and going to the train station or commuting some other way. Remember that this is the commuter line, so the stations are further apart. People who dont live near the station but live right by the tracks are just taking a shortcut. That's the shortcut mentality of many Filipinos, they dont like to follow rules. I'm not saying it's right or good, it's just how they are.

BRT is nice, and I hope that Manila can replicate it. We have bus lanes but they dont seem efficient because there's so many different bus companies. They all operate on different schedules. It's not organized. Manila needs more train lines too, so I'm glad they're building more, and hopefully the subway lines will hurry up.

But I dont think building more highways is the solution. As you saw from the article I posted, building more highways just encourages more people to buy cars and clog up the road. This is why Jakarta's commute times are still just as bad as Manila's, even though Jakarta has bigger roads. This also happens in Atlanta and Los Angeles. They're not even densely-populated, but they're some of the most traffic-congested cities in the US, and they also have the biggest highways. These cities were built with cars primarily in mind. Nobody praises these cities for their unique character or urbanity. Most people in the General US Forum say they're like over-grown suburbs. A car-centric city isn't the way to go. A city with mass-transit and plenty of walkable areas makes a better city. Jakarta is doing better with the mass-transit part, while Manila is doing better with the walkable areas.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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Because our govt knew that thing existed "lately" as well since it run on inactive rail track in a slum area, still it was forbidden after all. And that one in Manila runs on active rail track passed by trains many times a day, I can't imagine the amount of negligence given by your authorities in this case.


Only a third world mind thinks that shinkansen is a benchmark of modernity. Never mind, Indonesia will have one HSR soon. And coming from a country that measly has 70 km railway network, you must be very dense not to have self reflection about anything. Even a tiny Singapore has twice that length (Singapore has more rail percapita )

The Philippines doesnt have 70 km of railway. It has 107 km
-PNR Commuter line is 56 km (wikipedia says 28 km, but that's just in Metro Manila, not the whole line)
-LRT 1 is 20 km
-LRT 2 is 14 km (extending to 18 km this year)
-MRT 3 is 17 km
-When MRT 7 opens later this year, it's going to add another 23 km


So 134 km by the year end. The Philippines just never had much of a rail network like countries like Indonesia and India. I'm not sure why. It had more heavy rail in the past, but not to the same extant

I saw that the commuter line is going to have hybric electric cars starting in March

https://www.rappler.com/nation/22166...ain-march-2019

The cool thing is, these were developed by Filipino engineers. I'm glad that PNR is getting improvement, because it's currently the worst line
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:03 PM
 
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The Philippines doesnt have 70 km of railway. It has 107 km
-PNR Commuter line is 56 km (wikipedia says 28 km, but that's just in Metro Manila, not the whole line)
-LRT 1 is 20 km
-LRT 2 is 14 km (extending to 18 km this year)
-MRT 3 is 17 km
-When MRT 7 opens later this year, it's going to add another 23 km


So 134 km by the year end. The Philippines just never had much of a rail network like countries like Indonesia and India. I'm not sure why. It had more heavy rail in the past, but not to the same extant

I saw that the commuter line is going to have hybric electric cars starting in March

https://www.rappler.com/nation/22166...ain-march-2019

The cool thing is, these were developed by Filipino engineers. I'm glad that PNR is getting improvement, because it's currently the worst line
Good to know that you try to improve the service. PNR also signed contract in purchasing diesel hydraulic locomotive (DHL) trains and diesel multiple unit (DMU) from PT INKA.

Here is glimpse of Jakarta MRT. To minimize the contact with other land based transportation, the track will be either elevated or underground.





LRT Jabodebek use fully elevated track to connect Jakarta to nearby cities (Bogor, Depok, Bekasi)

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Old 01-22-2019, 09:17 PM
 
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^ Yeah, all the LRT and MRT lines in Manila are either elevated or underground. It would defeat the purpose and cause more traffic if they were intersecting with roads
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:00 PM
 
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Manila has a different kind of culture

Still lots to see in the old part of Manila (Intramuros). I hope they continue to restore the old buildings that were destroyed during WW2


Intramuros starts around 1:17


Binondo (world's oldest Chinatown), it's not a pretty place, but it's so vibrant, and one of my favorite places in Manila. Lots to see and eat


Another neighborhood the Muslim Quarter, where you can get halal cuisine from Mindanao's various ethnic groups


And those three neighborhoods are right next to each other ^ Not a lot of places in the world where you'll find a Spanish colonial neighborhood next to a Chinese neighborhood, next to a Muslim neighborhood.

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