U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Asia
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 01-29-2019, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
1,586 posts, read 1,952,281 times
Reputation: 1060

Advertisements

There's so much cherry picking going on in this thread it's going to create a worldwide shortage. You guys know that right?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-29-2019, 08:17 AM
 
397 posts, read 104,842 times
Reputation: 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by Landove View Post
If you click the link of existing buildings of Jakarta in Emporis, there are 208 buildings at least 150m in height,
https://www.emporis.com/city/100259/...us/existing/11

and 501 buildings at least 100m in height.
https://www.emporis.com/city/100259/...us/existing/26

Which one to believe?
I only counted what they labeled “skyscraper” on the side, but there are a lot of buildings taller than 100 m that are labeled as highrises and not skyscrapers. So if you count them for Jakarta it’s actually not 501 because there are 23 buildings on page 7-8 that are shorter than 328 feet (100 m). Also subtract the non-buildings like telecommunications towers and monuments. So it comes out to 476 skyscrapers in Jakarta.

Now looking at Metro Manila and doing the same thing- making sure to only count buildings taller than 328 feet and not counting non-buildings.

Makati- 164
Quezon City- 84
Taguig (BGC)- 82
Manila- 71
Mandaluyong-62
Pasig- 53
San Juan- 10
Pasay- 6
Muntinlupa- 5
Parañaque- 3

So that comes out to 540 skyscrapers for Manila. Again, this is an apples to apples comparison because Metro Manila and Jakarta are both the National Capital Region/ Special Capital Region and include several different cities. Metro Manila and Jakarta also have around the same land area. But in Jakarta, for some reason North Jakarta, South Jakarta etc arent listed on skyscraper sites as different cities. Thats why it’s much easier to find the info all in one place
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2019, 08:25 AM
 
397 posts, read 104,842 times
Reputation: 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by npaladin2000 View Post
There's so much cherry picking going on in this thread it's going to create a worldwide shortage. You guys know that right?
Yeah I know. See this post that actually compares quality of life in both cities using reputable sources

http://www.city-data.com/forum/54232919-post554.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2019, 04:31 PM
 
397 posts, read 104,842 times
Reputation: 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by hohohihi View Post
Park and pedestrian / walkable is different, moron!
The video I posted wasn't a park. He's walking in the median of the road. This is SCBD, one of the major business districts in Jakarta


Here's another supposedly walkable area of Jakarta

In this one, you can see very well that the only thing to do is look at skyscrapers and I guess look at the nice road. There's nothing else for a pedestrian. That's why he's one of the few people walking around.


Now compare that the Legazpi Village in Makati

For the first two minutes, he's just in the park, so you can skip all that. Then he starts walking.

Notice how there's apartments, stores, restaurants, spas, gym right on the sidewalk. And this is one of the older, quiet parts of Makati. It was built like 20 years before BGC. BGC is a much more walkable part of Manila, but even the older areas like Makati have a lot for pedestrians to do.

I would love to see anywhere in Jakarta that looks similar. I'm sure those areas exist. You're not advertising your city well by just posting malls, skyscrapers, and highways. I want to see the neighborhoods and the places where people can walk around
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2019, 04:45 PM
 
482 posts, read 192,732 times
Reputation: 141
Manila must learn a lot from Jakarta https://www.manilatimes.net/jakartas...nvious/425124/

hahaha .... Manila must improve more advanced especially the infrastructure and poverty. Jakarta is already in front , Manila must really ready afraid it Ho Chi Minh will crucify Manila
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2019, 04:52 PM
 
621 posts, read 383,907 times
Reputation: 145
Lol here we go again with you bragging about something that is not fully functional yet. You really are sounding ridiculous as time goes by. Most Indonesian posters here are just proll trolling. Only some have sense.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2019, 05:01 PM
 
482 posts, read 192,732 times
Reputation: 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by neMarL View Post
Lol here we go again with you bragging about something that is not fully functional yet. You really are sounding ridiculous as time goes by. Most Indonesian posters here are just proll trolling. Only some have sense.
not trolling we actually speak true facts ...You pinoys also make lots trolls by the way why we talk about Ho Chi Minh is always heating
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2019, 05:41 PM
 
397 posts, read 104,842 times
Reputation: 93
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michiko_shanyang View Post
Manila must learn a lot from Jakarta https://www.manilatimes.net/jakartas...nvious/425124/

hahaha .... Manila must improve more advanced especially the infrastructure and poverty. Jakarta is already in front , Manila must really ready afraid it Ho Chi Minh will crucify Manila

Poverty, infrastructure? "Less than half of Jakarta’s 10-million residents have access to piped water."
https://international.la-croix.com/n...ndonesia/7493#

And thats why your city is sinking, because people are forced to drill into the ground to access water. So it causes the city to sink. Then you build supertall skyscrapers and big malls just because they're nice to look at, which weighs the city down even more. So that's poor infrastructure. Now you have to build and finish a dam within the next 10 years before half the city is underweater.

Starting at 1:45 in the video, they explain very well what I'm saying.



Meanwhile in Manila, "from 1997 to 2009, Metro Manilans with access to piped water in the East Concession increased from the original 49 percent to 94 percent while in the West Concession, the coverage increased from 67 percent to 86 percent."
https://www.philstar.com/opinion/201...4qspEdID0OT.99

^That video also talked about the poor sewage in Jakarta. The link talks about how both Manila and Jakarta had the same sewage problems and so they had projects to correct the problems.

Sewerage and Sanitation: Jakarta and Manila - Independent Evaluation Group (IEG) - The World Bank Group

The results of the projects:
Quote:
"Jakarta. The poor quality of planning in the Jakarta project was reflected in every aspect of the project's outcome, which is rated unsatisfactory."


"Manila. The Manila project had a satisfactory outcome. The so called combined sewers component of the project provided roadside drainage channels in mostly low-income areas. Small bore pipes connected the septic tanks to drains, which disposed of the liquid overflow."
So maybe these are some of the aspects that cause Manila to be rated higher in quality of life on both major quality of life indexes. See my old post

Last edited by manolopo; 01-29-2019 at 05:50 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2019, 06:04 PM
 
621 posts, read 383,907 times
Reputation: 145
I also think so. Jakarta trying so hard to squeeze in a life of luxury from malls to designer brands to make them look good with the outside world but neglecting the most basic ones such as access to water, healthcare, welfare, etc. The average poor in Manila has access to all these including basic to lifestyle appliances and such, luxuries that true poor countries doesnt have.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-29-2019, 06:05 PM
 
482 posts, read 192,732 times
Reputation: 141
Hi Manolopo ..I talk about infrastructure and poverty is not quality of life
https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmo.../#36a059174f9b
.... by the way in Jakarta in general poor people very excited to work to change their lives from poverty to have a better life while manila not changed. even though Manila has first modern transportation such as MRT & LRT from Jakarta , but unfortunately the infrastructure is still poor this needs to be fixed
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Asia
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top