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Old 02-13-2019, 11:00 PM
 
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Some debts are good. Every entrepreneur knows this. If borrowing USD$10 million to build infrastructure that will enhance efficiency and productivity, and with a return to investment of an additional $20 million, then going into debt is so worth it.

Sometimes, you need to borrow and spend money to make money.
They are good if the debt is domestically generated like Japan or if the debt wont be a burden put so much weight on the overall GDP and obligations are meet on time.

Philippines debt-to-GDP ratio isn't bad at all though.

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with small debt Indonesia has more budget to build more infras and boost local made industry

good job Indonesia

just only in Java (surrounding Jakarta)

Total length: 1,167 km
Jakarta - Surabaya
rates 600k IDR (40 US$) / car
10 - 12 hours
What's ironic though is that you can afford to build big-ticket projects but can't do so much on the very basics such as potable water and sewage system among others on the grassroots level. Your pyramid foundation base is too thin to support the top which is a weak approach. Good thing the Philippines is starting from bottom to top rather than vice-versa. So goodluck!
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Old 02-14-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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with small debt Indonesia has more budget to build more infras and boost local made industry

good job Indonesia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econ...ic_expenditure

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In 2018, President Joko Widodo has substantially increased the amount of debt by taking foreign loans. Indonesia has increased the debt by Rp 1,815 trillion compared to his predecessor, SBY. He has insisted that the foreign loan taken is used for productive long-term projects such as building roads, bridges, and airports.[97] Finance Minister Sri Mulyani also stated that despite an increase of foreign loans and debt, the government has also increased the budget for infrastructure development, healthcare, education, and budget given to regencies and villages.[98] The government is insisting that foreign debt is still under control, and complying with relevant laws that limit debt to be under 60% of GDP.[99]
It looks like those infrastructure projects you've pointed out are financed through foreign loans. Again, I'd like to point out, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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So what? Ur debt to gdp ratio higher than indo thats a fact!

What u can prove with more debt than indo?
Ur inflation is low? U have more percapita? U boost local made industry like tank, submarine, plane, train etc?
Comparing Indonesia to Canada or UK (previously), yes
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ilovelondon View Post
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econ...ic_expenditure



It looks like those infrastructure projects you've pointed out are financed through foreign loans. Again, I'd like to point out, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Yes indeed, nothing's wrong about it.

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Comparing Indonesia to Canada or UK (previously), yes
When I meet people from West European countries talking sh*t about how poor and chaotic most developing countries in Asia are, while carelessly comparing them to their own countries, believe me deep inside, I wanna give em very hard slap to their faces.

Don't they know what made most countries in Asia suffer while their countries excel was blood they sucked from those poor countries for centuries. But all of sudden, they started act like angels, talking about human rights and sh*ts like they are the holiest human ever walk on earth. I know it's not the fault of current generation, but at least be mindful about it.
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:04 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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They are good if the debt is domestically generated like Japan or if the debt wont be a burden put so much weight on the overall GDP and obligations are meet on time.

Philippines debt-to-GDP ratio isn't bad at all though.


What's ironic though is that you can afford to build big-ticket projects but can't do so much on the very basics such as potable water and sewage system among others on the grassroots level. Your pyramid foundation base is too thin to support the top which is a weak approach. Good thing the Philippines is starting from bottom to top rather than vice-versa. So goodluck!
That is super ironic for someone repping Manila to be saying. I don't understand why this back and forth between people from the two cities / countries are being so oddly vicious about this, but it's also odd to see a brick being thrown in a glass house.
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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That is super ironic for someone repping Manila to be saying. I don't understand why this back and forth between people from the two cities / countries are being so oddly vicious about this, but it's also odd to see a brick being thrown in a glass house.

Jakarta is building huge highways, skyscrapers and malls when the city is literally sinking because 50% of the population doesnt have piped water, so they drill for groundwater. This video explains it well



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3UomZkVgAo


Manila doesnt have this problem because the majority of the population has piped water, like all capital cities throughout the world. So how are skyscrapers, malls, and highways helping the city when most people dont even have piped water, and when all those structures just make the city sink even more? And the seawall project thats supposed to protect the city has mostly been scrapped.
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:29 PM
 
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Someone cant be good seller here,..
Low tourism, low fdi only boast walkable story,..
L M A O!
When you take into account all the factors that make up quality of life, Manila has a higher quality of life than Jakarta.

For expats (Mercer's Quality of Living Index)
https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2018...ng-survey.html

And for general citizens (Economist Intelligence Unit’s global liveability index)
The world

And the Philippines has a higher quality of life than Indonesia. But Indonesia is catching up, and I can see it surpassing the Philippines in the near future (Thanks President Duterte)

http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/IDN
http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/PHL

Also, "boasting" about walkable areas is literally what urban enthusiasts do. In all the city data forums, people argue about which cities are more walkable, because that's what makes a city a city.

So yes, you have nice, big luxurious malls. And you can boast about them

This mall is beautiful, and I can see why people like it

But a mall doesnt beat an actual city center



and look how vibrant it is at night


Malls close, and everyone goes home. City centers are open 24/7, and people actually live there. That's the difference between Jakarta and Manila. In Jakarta, the city centers are inside malls.
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:33 PM
 
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Its fine we will be underwater soon, at least we can protect our land not just easily became China province.
we will be "sustainable" city

How can you protect your land if it's underwater? It's no longer considered "land" if it's underwater.
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Old 02-17-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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I think we can all say we learned something from all this back-and-forth. Mostly, we learned to go to Singapore instead.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:35 PM
 
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_ Jakarta Skyline 2019 _


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMexwGZZ5w0

_ Little Tokyo Blok M Jakarta..Matzuri and Ennichisai always held every year indicates a good relationship between Indonesia and Japan _


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=954vcmvxVVQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ygluk6qGkU

_ Streetfood in Jakarta _


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2AnCp8nLtQ
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