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Old 02-27-2019, 06:43 AM
 
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^ you see how ironic manila is not on the list,.. maybe your city not attracting
since u too much whining better go work for those reporter so u can get more knowledge

Really Jakarta more attracting than Manila, international visitors, 2016
32 Denpasar / Bali ---------------------------------- 6,238,300
58 Jakarta ------------------------------------------- 3,587,500
74 Manila ------------------------------ -- just only 1,320,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ional_visitors

so what kind other story u want to brag here?

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Old 02-27-2019, 09:29 AM
 
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^ you see how ironic manila is not on the list,.. maybe your city not attracting
since u too much whining better go work for those reporter so u can get more knowledge

Really Jakarta more attracting than Manila, international visitors, 2016
32 Denpasar / Bali ---------------------------------- 6,238,300
58 Jakarta ------------------------------------------- 3,587,500
74 Manila ------------------------------ -- just only 1,320,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ional_visitors

so what kind other story u want to brag here?


Do you see this? It is not so much about the quantity but the quality. You see how we have almost the same tourism economy with the likes of Singapore, Malaysia and Vietnam even though they are supposed to have way way more tourists(triple or more) than us. What does that entail? That despite fewer numbers of tourists, we actually have the most substantial tourist coming to our country spending more than our counterparts in Southeast Asia and that is despite the fact that Philippines has one of the cheapest if not the cheapest goods in the region. Not to mention that we don't solely rely our economy to tourism unlike Thailand or Vietnam.

Again, quantity can be a contributing factor but not the endgame of everything, quality is still the most important ingredient.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:34 AM
 
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Do you see this? It is not so much about the quantity but the quality. You see how we have almost the same tourism economy with the likes of Singapore, Malaysia and Vietnam even though they are supposed to have way way more tourists(triple or more) than us. What does that entail? That despite fewer numbers of tourists, we actually have the most substantial tourist coming to our country spending more than our counterparts in Southeast Asia and that is despite the fact that Philippines has one of the cheapest if not the cheapest goods in the region. Not to mention that we don't solely rely our economy to tourism unlike Thailand or Vietnam.

Again, quantity can be a contributing factor but not the endgame of everything, quality is still the most important ingredient.
So what u want to prove here?
Even with under-tourism story (per kapita nonsense story) Indonesia can surpass ur tourism income
That's mean Indonesia quality far better than ur Philippines


what next story u want to play? percapita? cherry picking some aspect? quantity vs quality?
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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^^pardon? I really don't know what you are saying, what do you mean by that? Elaborate please!

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See, many people cant read my post here,
we post not just walkable nonsense story everyday, kindly read back post about jakarta road, airport, railroad, port, public transport here

no need to trump so hard,.. even u cant trump hard jakarta with those build3 budget the biggest in Philippines history???
prove it which rank / achievment u get from those big chunk budget or just walking story rank u can brag?
The Metro Manila Subway has just broke ground yesterday. (while Manila is already building 2 subways you are still here with Jakarta stuck and have not even finished your MRT or LRT yet, isn't it ironic you keep bragging on something that most tier cities in Southeast Asia already have, you are already late on the bandwagon)





Makati Subway has broke ground on December.




Here, let me slap you with the update of MRT-7 which is even longer than your first phase LRT-MRT combined and which would be operational this year, this might help in waking you up from your dreamland of Jakarta being more advanced in the transportation sector.





Add to that the extension lines underconstruction with LRT2 and LRT1 plus new coaches fro MRT3.







And don't forget that the North-South Commuter Rail(NSCR)/PNR Clark Phase 1 has also just broke ground recently.











And finally, savor with your prideful and lustful eyes the upcoming projects with Metro Manilas rapid transit system:


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Old 02-27-2019, 12:04 PM
 
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And i post many thing uniqueness / vibrant in Jakarta nature sight, beach, island, culture, food, old town, modern town, etc NOT just pointless promoting CBD / walkable story
When I talk about different areas of Manila, I'm not just talking about how walkable they are. That's not the whole appeal. Every area has something different to offer, and walkability isn't always there.

Intramuros is the old town. The appeal isn't that it's walkable. It's that it's a historic area, like Kota Tua. There's not just old churches, but also plazas, gardens, forts, Spanish era-themed restaurants, institutions to learn Spanish, etc

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This kind of area appeals to many people

Binondo (Chinatown) appeal isn't that it's walkable. It's not the most walkable place. The appeal is that it's the oldest Chinatown in the world. There's a lot of history and street-level activity. There's lots of good restaurants and street food.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6-IUPom1os


The Manila Bay area. People like it because it's a nice place to hang out and watch the sunset.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlLRefsobI4
The nearby old downtown area (Malate and Ermita) have a lot of bars and restaurants.

Also in that same area is Rizal Park

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Around the park, there are several big museums

the Natural History Museum

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The National Fine Arts Museum

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and the National Museum of Anthropology

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The Manila Aquarium and the National Planetarium are also around the park. So you can spend a whole day museum-hopping in the same area.


BGC's big appeal is that you can live there and walk right out of your door and everything you need is there: work, restaurants, stores, play areas, entertainment. And you can walk to it all. If you dont want to walk, there's a BGC bus that runs constantly. There's also a subway line under-construction

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But walkability isn't the only appeal. It also has lots of green spaces integrated into the fabric of the city, as you can see in the picture above.

This is also where a lot of the big clubs in Manila are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvc5Y9c8tlA

There’s a science museum.

At least 6 international schools here.

There's a night market several times a week.

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There's street art (murals and sculptures) all over the place
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So BGC's appeal is not just walkability. It has a lot of other stuff to offer.

Eastwood has a similar feel, but it's smaller and quieter.


Makati has a different feel. It's more gritty and urban. It does have parks, but not as many green spaces

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Makati has many different parts. Some are upscale shopping and dining district. Some areas are full of bars and hole-in-the-wall restaurants. Some areas are more business. Some areas are quite neighborhoods. Some neighborhoods have weekend markets. There's a nice Philippines history museum too.

Ortigas CBD has 3 big shopping malls, if that appeals to you. So if you want an area like SCBD in Jakarta, here it is

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But even outside the malls, Ortigas still has some street-level activity.

There are more stores and restaurants on the street-level, outside the malls.

A whole new part of Manila, along Manila Bay. Nobody cares about walkability here.

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It's casinos, resorts, hotels, amusement parks, Mall of Asia, concert venues, and convention centers.


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Also big entertainment complexes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-oJL8ILrnc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLwsm2eSztk

The appeal here is definitely not walkability. This area is for people visiting Manila on short-term and want to experience entertainment while they're here.

If you want to get away from the crowed urban area, Manila has a large nature reserve/park within the city limits. La Mesa Eco Park and Nature Reserve

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This area is over 2,600 hectares and it's all a nature reserve.

So when I talk about different parts of Manila, I'm not always talking about walkability. I'm describing what the area is like and what it has to offer. I know Jakarta has a lot of these things too. But nobody is describing the different parts of Jakarta and what they have to offer. All I here is "It's vibrant everywhere, not a specific part" That's clearly not true.

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Old 02-27-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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^ you see how ironic manila is not on the list,.. maybe your city not attracting
since u too much whining better go work for those reporter so u can get more knowledge

Really Jakarta more attracting than Manila, international visitors, 2016
32 Denpasar / Bali ---------------------------------- 6,238,300
58 Jakarta ------------------------------------------- 3,587,500
74 Manila ------------------------------ -- just only 1,320,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ional_visitors

so what kind other story u want to brag here?
Are you confused? The survey you posted was about expats, not tourists. There's a difference. And that survey was asking expats in foreign cities to rate the city where they live. Expats in Manila weren't surveyed, so how can you come to the conclusion that Jakarta wins in the survey over Manila? Manila wasn't even in the data.

The main index to measure quality of life for expats in the Mercer quality of life index I mentioned earlier. It measures quality of life in general, but weighs factors important to expats more heavily. That index includes both Jakarta and Manila and it ranks Manila as higher.

And as I said, it was about expats, not tourists. If you look at census data, there are a lot more expats living in the Philippines than Indonesia:

177,000 foreign citizens living in the Philippines. (This doesnt include dual citizens who have Filipino citizenship)

73,000 foreign citizens living in Indonesia. (This doesnt include dual citizens who have Indonesian citizenship)

And before you say, "The number of expats doesn't matter," Well then why did you bring up the expat survey?
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Old 02-27-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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^^pardon? I really don't know what you are saying, what do you mean by that? Elaborate please!
Which part u dont understand?
Manolopo try to compare quality GDP tourism Philippines vs ASEAN
Meanwhile PH can't surpass Indo tourism total GDP/capita (remember when he brag undertourism in Indonesia?)
So what manolopo want to prove here with his quality vs quantity logic (nonsense story again)?

What story he want to play next? percapita? cherry picking some aspect? quantity vs quality?

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The Metro Manila Subway has just broke ground yesterday. (while Manila is already building 2 subways you are still here with Jakarta stuck and have not even finished your MRT or LRT yet, isn't it ironic you keep bragging on something that most tier cities in Southeast Asia already have, you are already late on the bandwagon)

Here, let me slap you with the update of MRT-7 which is even longer than your first phase LRT-MRT combined and which would be operational this year,
Here let me slap you again
Which rank you all can prove here? Many times just bragging walkable story rank?

With those big chunk budget u cant build HSR / Airport train/ BRT ???
Meanwhile Jakarta LRT / MRT / LRT Jabodebek onprogress but in the end of story we already surpass u in overall road, rail, port, airport, public transport, etc and yet u just bragging walkable rank?


you see how complex is that?

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this might help in waking you up from your dreamland of Jakarta being more advanced in the transportation sector.
Yeah Manila transportation is advanced thats why order PNR train from indo?!?


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Old 02-27-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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So when I talk about different parts of Manila, I'm not always talking about walkability. I'm describing what the area is like and what it has to offer. I know Jakarta has a lot of these things too. But nobody is describing the different parts of Jakarta and what they have to offer. All I here is "It's vibrant everywhere, not a specific part" That's clearly not true.
U waste my time bro! U cant read my previous post? we already told you that all area is vibrant!
not part jakarta vs part jakarta, like makati vs manila,.. Not 1 area poor vs 1 area rich!

I already post all about Jakarta here; nature sight, park, beach, resort island, old town, china town, modern town, classy Jakarta, complex sport, culture, food, food market, monument, jakarta free tour etc

and yet u still asking again? This Jakarta free city bus map to delivery you to some vibrant jakarta

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Old 02-27-2019, 06:07 PM
 
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Are you confused? The survey you posted was about expats, not tourists. There's a difference. And that survey was asking expats in foreign cities to rate the city where they live. Expats in Manila weren't surveyed, so how can you come to the conclusion that Jakarta wins in the survey over Manila? Manila wasn't even in the data.

The main index to measure quality of life for expats in the Mercer quality of life index I mentioned earlier. It measures quality of life in general, but weighs factors important to expats more heavily. That index includes both Jakarta and Manila and it ranks Manila as higher.

And as I said, it was about expats, not tourists. If you look at census data, there are a lot more expats living in the Philippines than Indonesia:

177,000 foreign citizens living in the Philippines. (This doesnt include dual citizens who have Filipino citizenship)

73,000 foreign citizens living in Indonesia. (This doesnt include dual citizens who have Indonesian citizenship)

And before you say, "The number of expats doesn't matter," Well then why did you bring up the expat survey?
i reply this https://www.internations.org/expat-i...r-expats-39685
for this

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The quality of living survey is conducted to help governments and major companies place employees on international assignments." So while the first index I mentioned is more about quality of life for everyone in the city, this survey has more focus on quality of life for international business-people who move to a new country. It's still about overall quality of life, but it weighs factors that expats care about more heavily than the first index
yeah maybe Manila is not attracting in global survey

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And before you say, "The number of expats doesn't matter," Well then why did you bring up the expat survey?
Well i just want to show how ironic manila not in the survey meanwhile other ASEAN city on the list

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Old 02-27-2019, 10:04 PM
 
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You were already banned
Precisely your start making he was pissed and he responded your comments and his blocked, if your comments does not annoying maybe he never inblocked
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