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Typical ...
When you are not sure, asking back so he will explain to you instead.
To choose between nominal and PPP, I'll take PPP anytime coz it's adjusted with daily costs, so you will not be "rich only on paper".
Why did I say so about HDI? Since HDI uses outdated data from few years ago. If other more update indicators say Indonesia is ahead now, HDI will follow it in the near future. Now you know, Honey ... will you thank me?
Well they all are using outdated figures too on many countries including Philippines so it is just quits and the same. It is not just Indonesia, baby. So should you be the one thanking me instead?
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Originally Posted by Landove
Jakarta is built for car loving people.
It's about choice and habit lah. If Filipinos feel comfortable walking outside in that hot and humid weather, so be it. If Jakartans feel more comfortable commuting from place to place by car, so be it.
See, even in pedestrian friendly areas in Rasuna Epicentrum, people are too lazy to go outside. If it were in Manila, it will be full with people chilling outside.
BGC is privately owned by Ayala. In Jakarta, it's difficult for private entity to control land that massive in size. BGC is like one-stop-living concept here in Jakarta in steroid. You get malls, offices, hotels, residential in one place. But it's not what most areas in the city look like. Once you go out of the area, you will be shocked, very contrast. I visited Manila a few times so I know.
Not only being walkable but there are also efforts to make it bike friendly, after all thats what makes a city more livable.
While there might be gritty areas in the metro, this is the typical average cityscape outside the CBDs and all over the metro, so how would a person be so shocked of the difference? You visited there few times but did you ask people who've lived there for years?
Anyway, its not that people esp visitors would come from BGC initially at all when visiting the metro. The airport and surrounding areas are the typical Manila that a visitor would initially see so you might probably be shocked or awed going to BGC but vice versa I dont think so.
Jakarta is built for car loving people.
It's about choice and habit lah. If Filipinos feel comfortable walking outside in that hot and humid weather, so be it. If Jakartans feel more comfortable commuting from place to place by car, so be it.
See, even in pedestrian friendly areas in Rasuna Epicentrum, people are too lazy to go outside. If it were in Manila, it will be full with people chilling outside.
BGC is privately owned by Ayala. In Jakarta, it's difficult for private entity to control land that massive in size. BGC is like one-stop-living concept here in Jakarta in steroid. You get malls, offices, hotels, residential in one place. But it's not what most areas in the city look like. Once you go out of the area, you will be shocked, very contrast. I visited Manila a few times so I know.
Filipinos love cars too. Just look at Manila's roads. But that doesn't mean that Manila shouldnt have areas where people can walk around outside.
From what I see in the video, the reason why no one is walking around Rasuna Epicentrum is because there's really not much there. It has sidewalks, yes, but next to the sidewalks, there are just roads, bushes, or walls. If you had a bunch of shops, restaurants, outdoor dining, places to sit, then people would actually come to the area and spend time walking around.
And yes, most of Manila doesn't look like BGC, but it's not the only developed part of Manila. There are other districts:
Well they all are using outdated figures too on many countries including Philippines so it is just quits and the same. It is not just Indonesia, baby. So should you be the one thanking me instead?
You don't say! Of course they use outdated data for all countries. LOL
What I mean is that Indonesia grew from a much lower starting point. Then it finally took over Philippines' GDP percapita in early 2000s. And the gap keeps widening to around USD 1,000 in 2017.
Most measurements put Indonesia ahead now. So it's just matter of time, really.
Filipinos love cars too. Just look at Manila's roads. But that doesn't mean that Manila shouldnt have areas where people can walk around outside.
From what I see in the video, the reason why no one is walking around Rasuna Epicentrum is because there's really not much there. It has sidewalks, yes, but next to the sidewalks, there are just roads, bushes, or walls. If you had a bunch of shops, restaurants, outdoor dining, places to sit, then people would actually come to the area and spend time walking around.
And yes, most of Manila doesn't look like BGC, but it's not the only developed part of Manila. There are other districts:
Now you wanna control what should and should not? LOL
Jakarta currently is building manmade islands in the north coast area. Will be the newest CBDs of the city. Hopefully, it will be more pedestrian friendly and less vehicle, but by seeing the super wide road, I doubt it
Anyway, Jakarta keeps improving, building wider pedestrian way, modernizing pedestrian bridges.
You don't say! Of course they use outdated data for all countries. LOL
What I mean is that Indonesia grew from a much lower starting point. Then it finally took over Philippines' GDP percapita in early 2000s. And the gap keeps widening to around USD 1,000 in 2017.
Most measurements put Indonesia ahead now. So it's just matter of time, really.
Now you wanna control what should and should not? LOL
Jakarta currently is building manmade islands in the north coast area. Will be the newest CBDs of the city. Hopefully, it will be more pedestrian friendly and less vehicle, but by seeing the super wide road, I doubt it
Anyway, Jakarta keeps improving, building wider pedestrian way, modernizing pedestrian bridges.
We'll have to see! In the meantime, Phils standard living and human devt is still well-off than Indonesia despite your larger GDP. You cant still claim you already overtook Philippines in terms of overall quality of living. Way to go our neighbor as our GDP growth and per capita are catching up so fast too. The sick man is healing and rising. Only time can tell.
We'll have to see! In the meantime, Phils standard living and human devt is still well-off than Indonesia despite your larger GDP. You cant still claim you already overtook Philippines in terms of overall quality of living. Way to go our neighbor as our GDP growth and per capita are catching up so fast too. The sick man is healing and rising. Only time can tell.
I sincerely hope your economy is doing well. It will bring positive impact to Indonesia as well.
Anyway, Jakarta is pretty late compared KL or Bangkok in building supertalls. But here are some ongoing projects in the city.
Jakarta more excel especially in transportation systems , airports , roads/tol ,shopping skyscrapers . how Manila only relies on makati ,pedestrian,mall while poverty continues to increase .. haha
Jakarta more excel especially in transportation systems , airports , roads/tol ,shopping skyscrapers . how Manila only relies on makati ,pedestrian,mall while poverty continues to increase .. haha
Be nice lah ...
Jakarta was experiencing the same fate as well. Though current situation is better, but still not good enough. Jakarta is closer to Manila in term of development than to Bangkok. While KL is far ahead, and Singapore? Only in our dream.
Be nice lah ...
Jakarta was experiencing the same fate as well. Though current situation is better, but still not good enough. Jakarta is closer to Manila in term of development than to Bangkok. While KL is far ahead, and Singapore? Only in our dream.
Jakarta more excel especially in transportation systems , airports , roads/tol ,shopping skyscrapers . how Manila only relies on makati ,pedestrian,mall while poverty continues to increase .. haha
Makati is only one part of Metro Manila. It's not even the nicest part of the city.
BGC is a different area. It's not part of Makati.
Eastwood is a different area, far from Makati
Ortigas is another, completely different area.
Bay City is another area, far from Makati. It's a newly developed area on reclaimed land (similar to how they created islands in Jakarta). This area is devoted to condos, hotels, resorts, clubs, and casinos. It's where the Mall of Asia is, and it's the entertainment area of Manila.
MRT7 is opening up in Manila within a year. It will be longer than the combined length of the Jakarta LRT and MRT lines opening up this year.
Manila already has 2 LRT lines and 1 MRT line.
The way you describe Jakarta, you make it sound like the type of city where people are just stuck in their cars looking at skyscrapers, or walking around the mall. What kind of city is that? Who would want to visit? You're not creating areas where people can actually walk around and enjoy the city. What good are skyscrapers if you can't walk and get close to them? You can only see them from the highway?
Meanwhile, in Makati, people are walking right next to the skyscrapers, going about their daily lives
Almost all your Jakarta videos are driving videos because people are stuck in their cars in Jakarta.
And Manila has a better skyline because there are more skyscrapers and they're more densely-clustered. Just look at this skyline ranking. It has an algorithm that takes into account the number of skyscrapers, the height of the skyscrapers, and how densely-clustered they are. Manila ranks above Jakarta because Manila has 345 buildings taller than 90M, while Jakarta has 280. Jakarta and Metro Manila have the same land area, so they should have the same number of skyscrapers.
Manila has a better skyline because of how clustered it is.
And the best part is, you can actually go to each cluster, walk around, enjoy the shopping, dining, entertainment. You dont just look at the skyscrapers from your car window.
And when you view Metro Manila from afar, you can see all the skyline clusters come together to make a huge skyline
In this picture, you cant even see the whole skyline because it's so big. This is just zoomed in showing mostly BGC, Ortigas, and part of Makati. You cant see Manila Bay, Eastwood or the rest of Quezon City.
overall infrastructure, jakarta surpass manila
not only focusing on pedestrian, but airport, transport system (brt, commuter + mrt & lrt 2019 + lrt jabodetabek & hsr jakarta - bandung), road quality + toll road
Who would want to visit? off course the world know which one more visitor
For mass transit , Jakarta wins because it has more commuter lines. But why are you including hsr jakarta - bandung when it's not even close to being finished? If we're including future projects, then Manila will have 2 subway lines.
This year, 1 MRT line and 1 LRT line are opening in Jakarta. 1 new MRT line will open up in Manila and it will be longer than the combined length of the MRT & LRT lines opening up this year in Jakarta. So for LRT/MRT, Manila is still far ahead, even when the new lines open up in Jakarta.
We have big highways and toll roads in Manila too, and one major one (Skyway 3) is under construction and will open in a year. Jakarta keeps building highways as if it's going to make their city better.
Big highways dont necessarily make a city better. Paris hardly has any highways. It just has 1 highway loop going around the perimeter of the city, and no highways running through the center of the city. Atlanta has many more big highways running through its city. But nobody would ever say that Atlanta is a better city because it has better highways. Atlanta also has a better airport. It's one of the biggest and busiest in the world. But nobody would ever say that Atlanta is better than Paris because it has a better airport and more highways. Highways and airports dont make a city better. One of the big reasons why people like Paris (and European cities in general) is because it's so walkable. There's lots to see just by walking around. Nobody visits Atlanta because it has big highways, and nobody cares that it has a nice airport. People dont visit cities for those reasons.
Also, Jakarta may have more highways, but they dont seem to be doing any good. According this study, Jakarta has worse traffic than Manila. The average commuter in Jakarta is stuck in traffic 68 minutes a day, compared to 66 minutes in Manila. So that's not really a big difference. It's basically the same. But it shows how your highways arent improving traffic. They probably make traffic worse because they encourage more people to buy cars. This is called "induced demand"
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“Induced demand" refers to the idea that increasing roadway capacity encourages more people to drive, thus failing to improve congestion.
Instead of building more highways, focus more on mass transit (both Manila and Jakarta are building more mass transit), and also focus on making your city more walkable (only Manila is doing this)
I'm not saying that Manila is a walkable city or anything like Paris, but it as many more walkable areas that Jakarta. You can see several foreigners walking around in this BGC video, even if it's humid outside during the day
^This is the type of city where people want to go and hang out. I've seen no videos of people in Jakarta actually walking around and enjoy their city. Unless it's during that day with no cars. They have to make a day with no cars just so people can walk around.
I dont buy this crap about "People in Jakarta just dont like to walk. It's too hot" No. If that were true, then why are so many people walking on car-free day? The city is just not built for people to walk. He says it perfectly here:
"Everyone I spoke to always said 'Why are you walking around? Are you crazy?' And people just generally dont walk that much here"
"The problem with Jakarta is, you can't walk around normally"
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