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Old 02-26-2019, 04:16 AM
 
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Its because on many aspects, Manila and Jakarta are almost the same. Only on walkability and CBD organization that Manila trumps Jakarta clearly. Which ranking do we need to discuss where Jakarta clearly trumps out Manila with substantial margin? Lets go back to zero.
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Old 02-26-2019, 04:35 AM
 
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Besides being a lot more walkable, Manila has more park and green space. 13% in Manila vs 10% in Jakarta. Both cities need more of this.

I think Jakarta trumps Manila on highways (but still has worse traffic), public transportation (buses and trains), airport, and malls.

But overall quality of life in Jakarta is lower. There are two main organizations that rank "liveability"

The first is Economist Intelligence Unit’s global liveability index. This index "examines over 30 factors across five broad categories: stability, healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure"

Manila is ranked 103, while Jakarta is ranked 119. I cant find the full list for 2018, but this source mentions both Jakarta and Manila.
http://www.travelweekly-asia.com/Destination-Travel/The-world-s-most-liveable-city-The-results-are-in

Next is Mercer's Quality of Living Survey. "The quality of living survey is conducted to help governments and major companies place employees on international assignments." So while the first index I mentioned is more about quality of life for everyone in the city, this survey has more focus on quality of life for international business-people who move to a new country. It's still about overall quality of life, but it weighs factors that expats care about more heavily than the first index

In 2018, Manila is ranked 137 while Jakarta is ranked 142
https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2018-quality-of-living-survey.html

In 2016, Mercer also had a personal safety ranking. "The personal Safety Ranking is based on the following criteria: Relationship with other countries, Internal Stability, Crime and Law Enforcement"

Jakarta was 172
Manila was 182
https://www.mercer.us/newsroom/western-european-cities-top-quality-of-living-ranking-mercer.html

So Manila scored worse on that aspect of the survey.

But the Economist (the same organization that did the first index I mentioned) also had an index specifically about safety, from 2017.

Manila scored higher for safety- 54.86, while Jakarta scored 53.39. In this index, the higher score means the safer city.

I' m most skeptical about this index because obviously Manila has more crime. But this index involves more than crime. It involves "digital security, health security, infrastructure security and personal security." They also mention that weather, terrorism, and traffic accidents are also factors. So it's not all about crime. If a lot of people in your city get hit by cars, it can contribute to a worse ranking because people aren't safe in that aspect. So according to this index, Manila is an overall safer city. I'm still skeptical...
http://safecities.economist.com/safe-cities-index-2017

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Old 02-26-2019, 05:45 AM
 
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Sustainable Cities Index 2018
https://www.arcadis.com/en/global/ou...SAAEgLH5_D_BwE
https://seasia.co/2018/11/04/2018-su...sian-countries
94 Jakarta
95 Manila

Innovation Cities Index 2018
https://www.innovation-cities.com/in...-global/13935/
177 Jakarta
287 Manila

Safest City Index 2018
https://ceoworld.biz/2018/09/19/the-...-ranking-2018/
252 Jakarta, Indonesia 46.06
276 Manila, Philippines 41.35

Overal Liveability City Index 2018
https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/docs/defau...rsn=5f5c720a_2
60 Jakarta
71 Manila

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Old 02-26-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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See, in almost all ranking they are just head to head the same except for some ranking such as walkability, etc. Show us more ranking where Jakarta is safely floating on a territory where it trumps Manila so hard.
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Old 02-26-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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See, many people cant read my post here,
we post not just walkable nonsense story everyday, kindly read back post about jakarta road, airport, railroad, port, public transport here

no need to trump so hard,.. even u cant trump hard jakarta with those build3 budget the biggest in Philippines history???
prove it which rank / achievment u get from those big chunk budget or just walking story rank u can brag?
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:42 PM
 
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See, many people cant read my post here,
we post not just walkable nonsense story everyday, kindly read back post about jakarta road, airport, railroad, port, public transport here

no need to trump so hard,.. even u cant trump hard jakarta with those build3 budget the biggest in Philippines history???
prove it which rank / achievment u get from those big chunk budget or just walking story rank u can brag?
I am not fond of repeating things that we have already discussed but if that suits you I can, I'll find time for you once I get to my PC. In the meantime, post something that I requested and hit it so hard that I would be so amazed!
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Old 02-26-2019, 07:20 PM
 
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Sustainable Cities Index 2018
https://www.arcadis.com/en/global/ou...SAAEgLH5_D_BwE
https://seasia.co/2018/11/04/2018-su...sian-countries
94 Jakarta
95 Manila

Innovation Cities Index 2018
https://www.innovation-cities.com/in...-global/13935/
177 Jakarta
287 Manila

Safest City Index 2018
https://ceoworld.biz/2018/09/19/the-...-ranking-2018/
252 Jakarta, Indonesia 46.06
276 Manila, Philippines 41.35

Overal Liveability City Index 2018
https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/docs/defau...rsn=5f5c720a_2
60 Jakarta
71 Manila
If you look at the Sustainable Cities Index, Jakarta and Manila basically have the same score. And on the website, it lets you compare the 3 different categories that go into the ranking.

1. People- "Reflects social mobility and quality of opportunity and life"
2. Planet- "Describes management of energy use, pollution and emissions"
3. Profit- "Assesses business environment and economic performance"



You can see that the only category where Jakarta outperforms Manila is "profit." Profit is the reason why Jakarta slightly beat Manila on this index. And that makes sense because it's a wealthier city and capital of a wealthier and much bigger country. The "people" category is quality of life, and as I mentioned earlier, Manila has a higher quality of life for its people. This index shows that again. "Planet" is environment. So I would say Manila won in the 2 most important aspects, but that's just my opinion.

I do agree that Jakarta is safer when it comes to crime. Indonesia as a whole has a lot less crime than the Philippines.

Mercer (the index I mentioned earlier) also has a safety ranking. "The personal Safety Ranking is based on the following criteria: Relationship with other countries, Internal Stability, Crime and Law Enforcement"

Jakarta was 172
Manila was 182
https://www.mercer.us/newsroom/weste...ng-mercer.html

So Jakarta scores better than Manila there.

But when you look at the Economist's Safe Cities Index, it puts Manila as safer than Jakarta. I'm skeptical about this one. This index involves more than crime. It involves "digital security, health security, infrastructure security and personal security." They also mention that weather, terrorism, and traffic accidents are also factors. So it's not all about crime. For example, if a lot of people in your city get hit by cars, it can contribute to a worse ranking because people aren't safe in that aspect. So according to this index, Manila is an overall safer city, but it's not just looking at crime when it determines safety.
The Safe Cities Index 2017 | Safe Cities 2017

Also, if you look at the 2018 Global Liveable and Smart Cities Index you posted, you'll see that all the reports are preliminary. "We believe a potentially useful and highly visible project such as ACI’s GLSCI is a preliminary yet comprehensive attempt..."

This is not an established quality of life index like the two I posted. It's still in the preliminary stages. But even on that index, you'll see that Manila outscored Jakarta in several categories:

1. "Economic Vibrancy and Competitiveness"
2. "Environmental Friendliness and Sustainability"
3. "Socio-Cultural Conditions"

The only categories where Jakarta beat Manila were "Political Governance" and "Domestic Security and Stability" And that's because we have a more corrupt government and terrorism. But again, that whole study is in the preliminary stage. Before each category ranking, it says "preliminary" on all of them. So take that with a grain of salt

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Old 02-26-2019, 07:47 PM
 
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I am not fond of repeating things that we have already discussed but if that suits you I can, I'll find time for you once I get to my PC. In the meantime, post something that I requested and hit it so hard that I would be so amazed!
Who are u dare asking me to post something to make u amazed?
Just waste my time!
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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If you look at the Sustainable Cities Index, Jakarta and Manila basically have the same score. And on the website, it lets you compare the 3 different categories that go into the ranking.

1. People- "Reflects social mobility and quality of opportunity and life"
2. Planet- "Describes management of energy use, pollution and emissions"
3. Profit- "Assesses business environment and economic performance"



You can see that the only category where Jakarta outperforms Manila is "profit." Profit is the reason why Jakarta slightly beat Manila on this index. And that makes sense because it's a wealthier city and capital of a wealthier and much bigger country. The "people" category is quality of life, and as I mentioned earlier, Manila has a higher quality of life for its people. This index shows that again. "Planet" is environment. So I would say Manila won in the 2 most important aspects, but that's just my opinion.

I do agree that Jakarta is safer when it comes to crime. Indonesia as a whole has a lot less crime than the Philippines.

Mercer (the index I mentioned earlier) also has a safety ranking. "The personal Safety Ranking is based on the following criteria: Relationship with other countries, Internal Stability, Crime and Law Enforcement"

Jakarta was 172
Manila was 182
https://www.mercer.us/newsroom/weste...ng-mercer.html

So Jakarta scores better than Manila there.

But when you look at the Economist's Safe Cities Index, it puts Manila as safer than Jakarta. I'm skeptical about this one. This index involves more than crime. It involves "digital security, health security, infrastructure security and personal security." They also mention that weather, terrorism, and traffic accidents are also factors. So it's not all about crime. If a lot of people in your city get hit by cars, it can contribute to a worse ranking because people aren't safe in that aspect. So according to this index, Manila is an overall safer city, but it's not just looking at crime when it determines safety.
The Safe Cities Index 2017 | Safe Cities 2017

Also, if you look at the 2018 Global Liveable and Smart Cities Index, you'll see that all the reports are preliminary. "We believe a potentially useful and highly visible project such as ACI’s GLSCI is a preliminary yet comprehensive attempt..."

This is not an established quality of life index like the two I posted. It's still in the preliminary stages. But even on that index, you'll see that Manila outscored Jakarta in several categories:

1. "Economic Vibrancy and Competitiveness"
2. "Environmental Friendliness and Sustainability"
3. "Socio-Cultural Conditions"

The only categories where Jakarta beat Manila were "Political Governance" and "Domestic Security and Stability" And that's because we have a more corrupt government and terrorism. But again, that whole study is in the preliminary stage. Before each category ranking, it says "preliminary" on all of them. So take that with a grain of salt
Funny, try harder bro?
That overall data not just take small aspect to compare
This nonsense pinoy talking about percapita then whining about some aspect. Even we not whining with ur data

Even no pinoy here cant provide other rank you achieve from those big chunk budget? Only walking nonsense rank?

Pinoy oh pinoy tell me what else u can brag except vloging video?
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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Oh sorry this not regular concert which every country has,..

this how classy Indonesian entertainment industry held in Jakarta
Local TV Award! classy stage + internatioanl artist + free because we have budget!







tell me which classy entertainment there? MYX????

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