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View Poll Results: Turkey vs Iran?
Turkey 6 75.00%
Iran 2 25.00%
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Old 07-29-2017, 11:29 AM
 
Location: SE Estonia
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Thinking about Asia, there are two countries in Asia/Near East what share some similarities- these are Turkey and Iran.
They - have very similar number of population, that is about 80 millions,
- have been big empires in past
- are influental in contemporary world as well ...and so on.

Interesting, which one out of two is more influental- taking into account everything?

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Old 07-29-2017, 06:39 PM
 
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Turkey is more influential as it borders Europe and the Middle East.
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Old 07-30-2017, 03:55 AM
 
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I think Iran may be more influential as it is viewed as being the leader of Shia Islam, which gives it huge prominence amongst those communities.
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Old 07-30-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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Turkey is far more influential than Iran. Iran is still a pariah on the international scene.

Turkey controls the Bosphorus, Russia's only access to the Mediterranean and several gas pipelines cross Turkish territory from the middle east and Russia to Europe.

Turkey is a member of NATO and has flirted with joining the EU in the past although there's no chance of that with recent events. The U.S. has a major airbase in Incirlik. Turks are the largest minority group in Germany and several other European countries.

I see more Turkish than Iranian influence in Central Asia. Even in a country like Uzbekistan, which is about as close to Iran culturally as you can get without going to Iran, I saw a lot of Turkish products and investment.

Istanbul used to be Constantinople, the seat of Ancient Byzantium. Alongside Rome and Athens, it is probably one of the most important cities in the development of Western Civilization. Major Greek archeological sites are scattered throughout western Turkey. The Patriarch of Constantinople is based there(surprisingly). Although his authority is not on the same level as the Pope in Catholicism, he has significant influence over millions of Orthodox Christians throughout the world.

The Ottoman Empire controlled Mecca and a substantial portion of the Arab-speaking world. It also controlled a significant portion of Europe. Sarajevo has more in common with Istanbul than it does with Vienna.

Iran is still influential despite it's political isolation although it seems to only be capable of destabilizing actions in places like Yemen and the Levant. It's still seen as the champion of the Shia minority. It sits on one side of the Strait or Hormuz and Shatt Al-Arab but U.S. dominance of the Persian Gulf is there solely to keep those vital oil distribution routes open. Iran's attempt to develop nuclear capability is probably based on the belief that gaining nuclear weapons is the only way to be taken seriously.
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Old 07-30-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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Both have almost no importance today with Iran having supposedly stronger military. Turkey should be warning to countries like Russia, US, UK: a reminder of how fast empires can sink.

People who say Turkey should not forget that it has 2 million refugees, it's on the losing side in Syria and an ally of Russia. Erdogan is doing everthing he can to damage the country.
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:25 AM
 
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euro123, Turkish empire dominated south-east Europe for many centuries. How is the attitude towards Turkey or Turkish in these countries, eg in Bulgara?
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Old 07-31-2017, 06:34 AM
 
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euro123, Turkish empire dominated south-east Europe for many centuries. How is the attitude towards Turkey or Turkish in these countries, eg in Bulgara?
Usually it's bad but it depends, compared to Russians, Turks are more liked as people living in the country.

For the Ottoman empire though I can't think of anyone who likes it or who wants it back, we may have dumb rusophiles who want the soviet union back but I've never heard this from anyone about the ottoman empire, not even from the turkish political parties.
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Old 08-01-2017, 06:21 AM
 
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Turkey is turning bad, but still better than Iran which has been a theocracy for 40 years.
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:13 PM
 
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niether. Both follow the ways of a dark age Bedouin. Iran still lives under the subjugation of the second caliphate and should return its zohorastrian roots and secularize.

Turks forget the way of ata turk. Kurds should resecularize them without the marxism.
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