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Old 09-03-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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It seems to be Japan (and India) versus China in Asia and Africa;
Japan ups ante to re-exert influence - Nation | The Star Online
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Old 09-03-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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A decent quarter, big whoop. China's economy is growing by 7% a year and it has overwhelming demographic advantages. Japan's population is old and shrinking, also its debt levels are staggering.

Terrifying signs Japan has become a 'demographic time bomb' - Business Insider

I struggle to see why China would be worried about Japan, this isn't the 1930's.
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Old 09-03-2017, 04:43 PM
 
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A decent quarter, big whoop. China's economy is growing by 7% a year and it has overwhelming demographic advantages. Japan's population is old and shrinking, also its debt levels are staggering.

Terrifying signs Japan has become a 'demographic time bomb' - Business Insider

I struggle to see why China would be worried about Japan, this isn't the 1930's.
old article, things are changing. In NK causes enough disruption it would give Japan an opening to further influence the region
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Old 09-04-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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A decent quarter, big whoop. China's economy is growing by 7% a year and it has overwhelming demographic advantages. Japan's population is old and shrinking, also its debt levels are staggering.

Terrifying signs Japan has become a 'demographic time bomb' - Business Insider

I struggle to see why China would be worried about Japan, this isn't the 1930's.
Debt levels in both Japan and China are staggering.

China has a demographic time bomb as well, although it is not expected for another decade.

Japan also has fake inflation indicator that makes their GDP look better than it is. Shinzo took out 16 components from the CPI which had rising prices, and put in 16 new ones that were falling. The government also applies quality adjustments to make prices appear to fall. It is a two-tier society. There is a lot of poor, young and old, and they sacrifice quality to squeeze out savings. People line up for 300 yen ramen. Young workers live 8 to 12 in shared house to pay about 15-20 percent off market rates for regular apartment.

GDP data from China is also suspect. The central government is asking for the provinces to give them real data.

Japan has ordered a large fleet of F-35 stealth fighter bombers.

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Old 09-04-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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old article, things are changing. In NK causes enough disruption it would give Japan an opening to further influence the region
The article is 6 only months old... I'll link one from June, or is that also too old? The demographic situation hasn't improved at all, and if NK is to cause more disruption, Japan has little to gain from the situation, and could in fact end up on the wrong side of one of their nukes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/b...s.html?mcubz=3

I must ask, do you have a dog in this fight? Your exaggerations about the strength of Japan's hand are biased at the very least, and at worst completely delusional.

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Old 09-04-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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The article is 6 only months old... I'll link one from June, or is that also too old? The demographic situation hasn't improved at all, and if NK is to cause more disruption, Japan has little to gain from the situation, and could in fact end up on the wrong side of one of their nukes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/b...s.html?mcubz=3

I must ask, do you have a dog in this fight? Your exaggerations about the strength of Japan's hand are biased at the very least, and at worst completely delusional.
They have the second largest foreign reserve in the entire world, a growing economy and shrinking population (high GDP per capita, easy wealth management), a growing military, and their companies have as much liquidated cash saved up as China has promised to invest in their one belt policy. To top this all off they are gaining strategic alliances with Singapore, India, and Australia (outside of the US's watchful eye) to create a new economic sphere of influence.

This is happening and they don't need a huge raw GDP number to challenge China across Asia. They are Winning more train and infrastructure contracts in poor nations and are reinvesting in their soft power, something china has yet to do.
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:39 PM
 
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https://seekingalpha.com/article/410...e-2017-economy
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:55 PM
 
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The article is 6 only months old... I'll link one from June, or is that also too old? The demographic situation hasn't improved at all, and if NK is to cause more disruption, Japan has little to gain from the situation, and could in fact end up on the wrong side of one of their nukes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/b...s.html?mcubz=3

I must ask, do you have a dog in this fight? Your exaggerations about the strength of Japan's hand are biased at the very least, and at worst completely delusional.
Japan seriously needs to remove that pacifistic rule from their constitution and re-militarise, like it or not. You really can't rely 100% on the USA all the time plus it would do wonders to the economy exporting weapons.

Japan has a crazy neighbour at the doorstep and another one that wants to conquer Asia.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:09 PM
 
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China has a demographic time bomb as well, although it is not expected for another decade.
Hopefully this will happen before the PLA attempts to go to war.

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Japan seriously needs to remove that pacifistic rule from their constitution and re-militarise, like it or not. You really can't rely 100% on the USA all the time plus it would do wonders to the economy exporting weapons.

Japan has a crazy neighbour at the doorstep and another one that wants to conquer Asia.
No they do not. the Japanese are psychos. They're tigers. They are the british of asia. I don't want to see a rearmed japan. They raped asia and were brutal about it. China and north korea are stupid to risk war with them. Japan has tried to invade korea and china many times throughout its history. Each time it was worse than before.

I like Japan on a leash with the US holding it. Japan should remain a buffer state and America's unsinkable aircraft carrier.

Only problem is Trump messing up the world order and the greed of american corporations outsourcing to china.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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It seems to be Japan (and India) versus China in Asia and Africa;
Japan ups ante to re-exert influence - Nation | The Star Online
OK, your climax can stop now

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...al-expenditure
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