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Old 09-20-2017, 06:53 PM
 
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In terms of cultural soft power, yes - I understand your point. Everyone knows Samsung and K-Pop, don't forget how popular Gangnam Style was. Korean dramas, makeup, and e-sports are all gaining popularity in the West; Korean students come in large numbers to study in the states. Culturally, I think South Korea is much more relevant than Japan. In economic terms, not even close.
A few things, firstly Samsung is the only major south Korean company that has effect on the US popularly speaking and that's because their phones are of the android operating system which is by google. Their other products like kitchen supply and what not are still not as popular.

Japan has Sony (play station, headphones, Sony-pictures, etc.) Nintendo (Mario is more famous than any SK fictional character period) and their car industry is much more pervasive in the US than SK with Honda, Subaru, Toyota, and more all surpassing Hyundai and KIA in popularity.

Secondly Korean BBQ has come no where near sushi in daily American livelihood. People will always ask, "do you want to get some sushi?" KBBQ, not so much.

Thirdly e-sports and MMOs that Koreans play a lot of like starcraft, LoL, etc. are American (usually Blizzard).

For elementary school students in the US Japanese anime like Pokemon are still the biggest thing and even to older people as well (with different types of anime).

Panasonic is one of the biggest providers of solar-power cells in the US market. And yes you're right that live action dramas from Korea are more popular but that is not saying much in the US where Asian dramas aren't that big. Gangnam Style was as big a fad as Pokemon go, which both came and went.

Then there is 7-11, the largest convenience store brands in the US which EVERY American knows about and goes to at Gas station stops and what not. Added to this are brands like Sprint which are Japanese owned and you get the picture I'm making.

My last point is my biggest point and that is for you to count all the American made shows, movies, cartoons, or advertisements that take from or are based entirely off of Japanese Ninjas or Karate (and this is not counting Samurais and other stuff.)

Think how many times you here someone quote Karate as the general martial arts class over something like taekwondo. Now think about all the characters from comic books, cartoons, video games, etc. that use Ninjas or at least mention them? The Answer is countless.
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Old 09-20-2017, 07:40 PM
 
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Old 09-21-2017, 10:55 AM
 
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It's difficult to say that South Korea has eclipsed Japan on economic terms; Japan is still no.3 economy and its population is easily two to three times as that of South Korea. It will take a miracle (such as a reunification of the peninsula) in order for S.Korea to achieve Japan's current absolute levels.

However, in terms of living standards per capita or GDP per capita, the two countries are actually very close. In 2015, S.Korea was actually ranked above Japan on HDI (S.Korea at #17, Japan at #20), so those posters who're saying that S.Korea is far far behind Japan are really saying an inaccurate statement, if not actually quite offensive. S.Korea is also doing pretty well in robotics too, as they were the winner of the 2015 DARPA robotics challenge, has the highest concentration of robots in the world.


Finally, South Korea has a great Kpop industry right now, that is gaining millions of fans around the world. Sure, they're not quite at the level of anime per se, but you can't deny how much they have grown over the years, with groups like BTS charting #1 on iTunes in 73 countries, winning awards against the more famous pop stars like Justin Bieber, including in the United States. So, yes, they are not a superpower but they do very well given their relatively very small population and lack of natural resources, on top of having to deal with three superpowers (U.S., Russia, and China)+ an annoying North.

Sources:
CNN article: "Kpop group breaks records in three continents"
NYTimes:"BTS takes a different approach to Kpop"
Billboard: "BTS NOs.1 on Social 50"
Yonhap: "BTS No.1 in 73 countries"
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Old 09-23-2017, 01:38 PM
 
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A few things, firstly Samsung is the only major south Korean company that has effect on the US popularly speaking and that's because their phones are of the android operating system which is by google. Their other products like kitchen supply and what not are still not as popular.

Japan has Sony (play station, headphones, Sony-pictures, etc.) Nintendo (Mario is more famous than any SK fictional character period) and their car industry is much more pervasive in the US than SK with Honda, Subaru, Toyota, and more all surpassing Hyundai and KIA in popularity.

Secondly Korean BBQ has come no where near sushi in daily American livelihood. People will always ask, "do you want to get some sushi?" KBBQ, not so much.

Thirdly e-sports and MMOs that Koreans play a lot of like starcraft, LoL, etc. are American (usually Blizzard).

For elementary school students in the US Japanese anime like Pokemon are still the biggest thing and even to older people as well (with different types of anime).

Panasonic is one of the biggest providers of solar-power cells in the US market. And yes you're right that live action dramas from Korea are more popular but that is not saying much in the US where Asian dramas aren't that big. Gangnam Style was as big a fad as Pokemon go, which both came and went.

Then there is 7-11, the largest convenience store brands in the US which EVERY American knows about and goes to at Gas station stops and what not. Added to this are brands like Sprint which are Japanese owned and you get the picture I'm making.

My last point is my biggest point and that is for you to count all the American made shows, movies, cartoons, or advertisements that take from or are based entirely off of Japanese Ninjas or Karate (and this is not counting Samurais and other stuff.)

Think how many times you here someone quote Karate as the general martial arts class over something like taekwondo. Now think about all the characters from comic books, cartoons, video games, etc. that use Ninjas or at least mention them? The Answer is countless.
One point to be made: 7-11 and Sprint are American companies that had a majority purchased by Japanese investment groups.... Both are still headquartered in the US and had a large foothold in the American market long before they were bought by Japanese companies. It's different from them being inextricably Japanese companies that have become part of the American lexicon, like Hondas or sushi or ninjas.

Korean culture has a growing cult following in the US and other parts of the world but Japan has a decades-long head start and is still generally more niche.
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Old 09-23-2017, 10:03 PM
 
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About cultural influence...

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/9/2...o-movie-review
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Old 09-24-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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While I don't agree with everything this article says it fits in with the overall discussion.

https://www.investasian.com/blog/wil...utgrow-japans/
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Old 09-24-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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You make a lot of good points. However, the Japanese are much less mobile than Koreans these days. Outside of Hawaii and California, the Japanese community is almost nonexistant in the US. Japanese don't immigrate or come in large numbers to the US like Koreans do, and their cultural significance is greatly affected by that in my mind.
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Old 09-25-2017, 05:51 PM
 
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You make a lot of good points. However, the Japanese are much less mobile than Koreans these days. Outside of Hawaii and California, the Japanese community is almost nonexistant in the US. Japanese don't immigrate or come in large numbers to the US like Koreans do, and their cultural significance is greatly affected by that in my mind.
Yeah, like in the Atlanta area there are way more Koreans than Japanese. Koreans make up the largest Asian nationality in the metro (although I think the Chinese have recently overtaken them). That said, Korean culture has been popular in Atlanta, especially the food.
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Old 09-25-2017, 11:53 PM
 
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The Japanese have always been less mobile than the Koreans. They are too small in numbers in many countries compared with other foreigners. In most western countries, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, Vietnamese and Koreans are the larger groups of Asians.




https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...high_desc=true


South Koreans also outnumbered Japanese tourists in many Asian countries. South Koreans love to travel overseas and can afford to travel overseas more frequent than the Japanese. Being the third largest economy and having a population higher than Germany, the UK, France, Canada, Australia, South Korea and Italy, Japan is not in the top 10 tourism expenditure overseas. HK and Singapore are a lot smaller, spent similar amount of money as the Japanese.


https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...high_desc=true


You can see the decline of Japan indicated by this graph. While most other countries are spending more on international travel over the years, Japan is the reverse.


Here in HK, Macau and Mainland China, and also many parts of Southeast Asia, popularity of South Korean cultures has overtaken Japanese for some years, before Psy became famous in the western world. South Koreans goto other cities in Asia to meet their fans many times more than the Japanese. In HK and in Taipei, there are some different South Korean entertainers coming weekly, most are not famous in the West and moderately famous in Asia. It is only in Taiwan where Japanese culture and South Korean culture compete in a near 50: 50 ratio.


https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...high_desc=true


This graph indicated Japan's economy is nearly the same without improvement as in the 1990s.


Both countries' entertainers are currently affected by a ban in China. Also the number of Chinese tourists have declined in the two countries. Tourism in South Korea relied heavily on the Chinese.

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Old 09-26-2017, 06:53 AM
 
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The Japanese have always been less mobile than the Koreans. They are too small in numbers in many countries compared with other foreigners. In most western countries, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Filipinos, Vietnamese and Koreans are the larger groups of Asians.




https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...high_desc=true


South Koreans also outnumbered Japanese tourists in many Asian countries. South Koreans love to travel overseas and can afford to travel overseas more frequent than the Japanese. Being the third largest economy and having a population higher than Germany, the UK, France, Canada, Australia, South Korea and Italy, Japan is not in the top 10 tourism expenditure overseas. HK and Singapore are a lot smaller, spent similar amount of money as the Japanese.


https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...high_desc=true


You can see the decline of Japan indicated by this graph. While most other countries are spending more on international travel over the years, Japan is the reverse.


Here in HK, Macau and Mainland China, and also many parts of Southeast Asia, popularity of South Korean cultures has overtaken Japanese for some years, before Psy became famous in the western world. South Koreans goto other cities in Asia to meet their fans many times more than the Japanese. In HK and in Taipei, there are some different South Korean entertainers coming weekly, most are not famous in the West and moderately famous in Asia. It is only in Taiwan where Japanese culture and South Korean culture compete in a near 50: 50 ratio.


https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...high_desc=true


This graph indicated Japan's economy is nearly the same without improvement as in the 1990s.


Both countries' entertainers are currently affected by a ban in China. Also the number of Chinese tourists have declined in the two countries. Tourism in South Korea relied heavily on the Chinese.
Koreans and Chinese (from my experiences which are limited I should add) seem less racist than Japanese, or at least exclusionary if that makes any sense. When I was in High school (one of the best in the country) we had a lot of Asian students from abroad including Chinese (mostly mainland but also Hong Kong and Taiwan) Koreans, etc who were really nice and melded into our culture as best they could. On the other hand I only knew one Japanese kid who was always bashing American culture (to our faces) sulked around a lot, and was just waiting to leave and go home, which he did eventually.


I don't know, maybe it has to do with Japan being a richer and cleaner society making them less impressed with other countries or maybe they just like Japan and don't want to leave.
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