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Old 11-08-2017, 07:52 PM
 
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i think another part of it is that Tibetans are kept passive by the Dalai llama. Look at the problems the red han have with the uighars. They could go jihad if pakistan or central asian jihadis smuggled weapons to them.
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Old 11-09-2017, 12:07 AM
 
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Chinese businesses in the 80s were pretty much all state run, so to say that the businessmen acted "by themselves" is factually incorrect. The number of Han Chinese going there has increased since then as well. Going where you are not wanted, particularly en mass is not a sacrifice. I'm not insulting anyone. The Chinese have crushed Tibetan culture and have basically taken over Tibet.
Wrong. China started the reform in 1978. I said businessmen "started" to go to Tibet in the 1980s but the peak is really recent years. Few restaurants, small hotels, and shops are state run. The ones that are state-run are run by Tibetan local government for the most part.

How do you know all Han Chinese are not wanted there? Just because some Tibetans in exile say so? Many Tibetans live and work in Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu etc and have great achievements. Why do you want Han and Tibetan people to hate each other when they do not?

What I don't like about those overseas "independence promoters" is that they often stir hatred and conflicts when people are in peace. In fact you know nothing about Tibet. You don't know the geography, the history, or the economy. You only stick to the anti China propaganda and refuse to listen to the other side of the story.
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Old 11-09-2017, 12:18 AM
 
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Tibetan language, arts, and culture are taught in schools of Tibet. Universities in other parts of China also carry such studies and education.

China will never let Tibet go. Those who wish it should save the energy and do something else.
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:00 AM
 
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Tibet is going to be a part of China for as long as any of us, our children, or our grandchildren are alive. The thought of China letting go of Tibet is like the US letting go of Arizona or Hawaii... "hey guys, there are a lot of Natives here, we should give them total independence." No. The old global empires (UK, Spain, France, etc) spent much of the last 50 years divesting from far-flung global colonies that were expensive to administer and slapped a guise of "granting independence" over it to try to soothe the burn, but basically no world power is willing to let go of mainland territory. Look at Spain, right now...

A lot of the same people who got behind the Free Tibet movement in its heyday would have balked at getting behind a First Nations independence movement in the US and Canada. A lot of the people who are still into it are basically irrational dreamers that think that any minority group that wants its own nation should get it, and ignore modern geopolitics along with history in favor of good feels.

The Free Tibet movement is pretty much dead in mainstream culture, at this point. No one really cares anymore.
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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Tibetan language, arts, and culture are taught in schools of Tibet. Universities in other parts of China also carry such studies and education.

China will never let Tibet go. Those who wish it should save the energy and do something else.
Do they teach anything about Tibetan culture in Chinese schools, like the names of their historical figures, epic poetry and stories from their mythology? From my understanding, in China Chinese culture is equivalent to Han culture and the accomplishments and stories of non-Han peoples are not celebrated or mentioned at all.
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Old 11-09-2017, 02:01 PM
 
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Do they teach anything about Tibetan culture in Chinese schools, like the names of their historical figures, epic poetry and stories from their mythology? From my understanding, in China Chinese culture is equivalent to Han culture and the accomplishments and stories of non-Han peoples are not celebrated or mentioned at all.
Chinese schools do teach a little about culture and history of ethnic minorities. However there are 55 officially recognized minority groups so it is impossible to cover all in depth. If we learn Uyghur culture for one year, Tibetan another year, Mongolian another year, Hmong another year... There will be no time to learn English and Chinese.

However, schools in minority regions will teach more in details. Tibetan language is compulsory in Tibetan schools. Many students from Mongolia actually come to China's inner Mongolia to study both Mongolian and Chinese. In Asia, being fluent in Chinese is a huge advantage.
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Old 11-11-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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You only stick to the anti China propaganda and refuse to listen to the other side of the story.
The other side of anti-Chinese propaganda is pro-Chinese propaganda.
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Old 11-11-2017, 08:09 PM
 
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The other side of anti-Chinese propaganda is pro-Chinese propaganda.
Maybe in your world everything is propaganda. Even propaganda has partial truth to discover.
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Old 11-14-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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anti-chinese free tibet propaganda are founded by the National Endowment for democracy tha civilian arm of the CIA


https://www.ned.org/region/asia/china-tibet-2016/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program


https://www.globalresearch.ca/tibet-...d-the-cia/8442


World News Briefs; Dalai Lama Group Says It Got Money From C.I.A. - The New York Times
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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NO. In fact there is no government-arranged immigration to Tibet, except for some military forces etc.

All the businessmen went there by themselves and it started in the 1980s only. Tibet is not suitable for farming and mining, so nobody goes there for these purposes. Tibet only has 3 million residents (including migrants) in total. It is absurd to say China moves "millions" of people there.

Of course, many construction workers, medical professionals and teachers are from other parts of China. This is far from a "crime". You are insulting them for their sacrifices.
Wrong. They were given financial incentives to relocate there. Maybe some people moved there on their own to become shopkeepers, IDK, but a lot of workers were enticed there, by pay incentives.

It's difficult to get accurate demographic information about Tibet. The CTA has said for decades that the Chinese have been conducting population transfers of Han Chinese into Tibet, to the extent that Tibetans are at risk of becoming a minority in their own land. However, the International Campaign For Tibet states that the Tibetans in Tibet number 6 million, and that the number of Chinese there is "undetermined". The map the organization uses to define "Tibet", however, incudes Qinghai Province, and a part of Yunnan.

It would appear that part of the reason for such a tremendous discrepancy in population figures given by different sources could be due to different definitions of "Tibet" used by the different sources.

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