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Old 12-28-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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It has less to do with language than with culture.

For example, you can get jail term for abusing dog, killing dog or/and even eating dog meat in Hong Kong. However, it is legal to kill dog and eat dog meat in China. It is especially popular in Guangdong and Guangxi (some parts of the province still speak Cantonese). Dog meat stall is very common in the market.

So whenever there is news in Hong Kong that dogs are brutally killed (usually the culprit is someone from Guangdong who came to the City legally or illegally), all the media, no matter they are pro or anti government, usually hold a contempt view towards those indicted.

Two people speaking Cantonese do not mean both share the same value.
I can understand eating dog in a survival situation or if there is no food left
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Old 12-28-2017, 11:24 AM
 
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I can understand eating dog in a survival situation or if there is no food left
Eating dog is very rare in China. The vast majority of Chinese people have never done that.
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Old 12-28-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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Eating dog is very rare in China. The vast majority of Chinese people have never done that.
Yup, Iíve never seen dog meat, but I donít go looking for it either. My wife had it once like 20 years ago, but there is nowhere in her home city that has it.
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Old 12-28-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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Yup, I’ve never seen dog meat, but I don’t go looking for it either. My wife had it once like 20 years ago, but there is nowhere in her home city that has it.
In Imperial China, eating dog meat was quite common all over China. Now it is confined to certain areas in Guangdong and certain regions in Guangxi. It is also very common in North Vietnam.

Why is this old habit still intact in these contiguous regions? I have no clue.
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Old 12-28-2017, 09:56 PM
 
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Dog meat discussion is off topic of the original post.


Not quite sure about eating dog meat was common all over China.

Studied Chinese History at HK school. The Manchu in Qing and Late Jin Dynasty, did not eat dog meat and discouraged it in the Qing Dynasty.


Dog meat is legal in Mainland China and Vietnam. Dog meat can be easily found in the Pearl River Delta region of Guangdong as well, but not in areas frequented by foreigners. Without the western influence on their laws, HK, Macau and Taiwan would have legal dog meat too.


Westerners love to look down on Chinese, Vietnamese and Koreans with topics like dog meats. The Asians know it well.



Yes, dog meat can be easily seen in Southern Mainland China.


HK and Macau people are more influenced by the west, they were colonies and people growing up there are westernised to varying levels. Therefore they have different eating cultures from the people in Southern Mainland China.


Also, mother tongue Cantonese speakers in HK and Macau are not all descended from Cantonese speaking ancestors. There are many people originating from provinces north of Guangdong, or Hakka and Chaozhou speaking migrants from Guangdong. There are many such people, famous and ordinary, in current HK society. Probably about 40% to 60% of HK's Chinese population have a grandparent not speaking Cantonese in their childhood, was living in non cantonese speaking regions of China. For examples, 3 of the 4 Heads of the HKSAR government(Chief Executives of the HKSAR) originated from provinces north of Guangdong, with paternal ancestors not speaking Cantonese. The richest man of Hong Kong is Chaozhou speaking. Run Run Shaws and many directors of award winning HK movies came from more northern provinces. Jackie Chan is a fluent Cantonese speaker with both parents from more northern provinces. It is wrong to say HK and Macau people are Cantonese people, many are just Cantonese speaking people. You can't just say someone is an English people when their mother tongue is English.


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It has less to do with language than with culture.

For example, you can get jail term for abusing dog, killing dog or/and even eating dog meat in Hong Kong. However, it is legal to kill dog and eat dog meat in China. It is especially popular in Guangdong and Guangxi (some parts of the province still speak Cantonese). Dog meat stall is very common in the market.

So whenever there is news in Hong Kong that dogs are brutally killed (usually the culprit is someone from Guangdong who came to the City legally or illegally), all the media, no matter they are pro or anti government, usually hold a contempt view towards those indicted.

Two people speaking Cantonese do not mean both share the same value.

Last edited by HSrights; 12-28-2017 at 10:24 PM..
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Old 12-28-2017, 10:35 PM
 
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Hong Kong was more accepting of Mainland born Chinese, Mandarin language and various Chinese dialects before the 70s or 80s. Most of HK population back then was born in Mainland China. Also, Shanghai people were viewed as rich and educated by both the Cantonese speaking people from Guangdong and British in HK, brought with them to Hong Kong their money, businesses and skills to develop HK's economy which was destroyed during world war two.


Famous Hong Kong singers sing in mandarin too.


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The language issue is way overblown and too politicized.

Hong Kong has always been susceptible to Mandarin. The hundreds of movies churned out by the Shaw Brothers Studio between 1950s-1970s were 99.99% dubbed in Mandarin. Its boss, the late Sir Run Run Shaw, who lived until 104, could hardly speak any Cantonese.

But nobody thinks he was not a Hong Konger.
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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Cantonese was not popular in Hong Kong until early '70s when free TV -- TVB -- became popular all over the territory.

Way back in '60s, if you drove in New Territories and hit a cow, the rule of thumb is don't leave the car because the language spoken by the rural farmers is totally unintelligible to a Cantonese speaker. Wait for the police.

The Dongguan County, which is sandwiched between Guangzhou and Hong Kong, used to speak a dialect which is also totally unintelligible to Cantonese speaker.

In fact, Cantonese was mainly spoken in the provincial capital, and the towns and counties in the Pearl River Delta (the farther the more deviated), and Hong Kong and Macau.

Most of the older generation Chinese immigrants in US, who principally came from the West side of Pearl River Delta which is quite far from Guangzhou, speak some dialects which are quite different from Cantonese. To a Cantonese speakers, it is easier to decipher Mandarin than these dialects.
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