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Old 03-13-2018, 01:42 PM
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Well that is strange, the rest of the world claims that N. Korea started the Korean War by invading South Korea in 1950. You alone must have attended an alternative history fantasy course where they taught that South Korea and Americans started the war.

South Korean military suffered some 150,000 battle deaths in that war, sure sounds like they pulled there fare share.
Dude why do you respond to him?
He's paid a small salary to sit in a dingy windowless office by the Russian government and foment discord and preposterous-on-their-face assertions and such. "Ignore" button!
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Well that is strange, the rest of the world claims that N. Korea started the Korean War by invading South Korea in 1950. You alone must have attended an alternative history fantasy course where they taught that South Korea and Americans started the war.

South Korean military suffered some 150,000 battle deaths in that war, sure sounds like they pulled there fare share.
i never claimed as such, I only said the total destruction of NK was made by US generals, not by the south Koreans.

Under this context one can understand how the US created modern day North Korea and that we should understand this rather than try to invade them again.
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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Dude why do you respond to him?
He's paid a small salary to sit in a dingy windowless office by the Russian government and foment discord and preposterous-on-their-face assertions and such. "Ignore" button!
HAHA...that might be so. But really his/her responses are a sort of entertainment and I find it sort of fascinating from a mind-study perspective.

I know, I am easily entertained.
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:55 PM
 
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i never claimed as such, I only said the total destruction of NK was made by US generals, not by the south Koreans.

Under this context one can understand how the US created modern day North Korea and that we should understand this rather than try to invade them again.
Both sides, north and south, saw massive destruction in the war. The entity responsible for that is solely and exclusivly the side that started the aggression - North Korea!...or Stalin if you want to get into more detail. There is no argument or debate on that matter.

The south, under a democracy with a free market driven economy, was able to rebuild and thrive. The north, under a communist-like totalitarian centralized economy, rebuilt under massive economic aid from China and Russia (by 1957 the production was back to pre-war levels), but could not thrive. Once Russia collapsed, the meager economy of the north collapsed. This was all pre-sanctions and had nothing to do with the US.
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Both sides, north and south, saw massive destruction in the war. The entity responsible for that is solely and exclusivly the side that started the aggression - North Korea!...or Stalin if you want to get into more detail. There is no argument or debate on that matter.

The south, under a democracy with a free market driven economy, was able to rebuild and thrive. The north, under a communist-like totalitarian centralized economy, rebuilt under massive economic aid from China and Russia (by 1957 the production was back to pre-war levels), but could not thrive. Once Russia collapsed, the meager economy of the north collapsed. This was all pre-sanctions and had nothing to do with the US.
Itís more psychological than this.

General McArthur leveled the entire country even destroying dams and needed infrastructure. The north did no such thing when they tried to take the south (probably because they wanted to take the land).

Later the North probably read some of journals of the American commanders laughing about destroying the country and mocking all the dead and starving Koreans. Then they had to see the international community and the UN recognize the US as the good guys ignoring all the war crimes committed against the North.

For a country to be built under that foundation with nothing and no public support for the crimes committed against them and for their race to be treated as street rats can cause major damage to the nations psyche.

That is why NK did not become like any other communist dictatorship (Cuba, Poland, etc.); itís because what was done to them that they are an insane dictatorship where the people donít stand up and until the west understands this and stops putting all the blame of the Kim family negotiations will be much more acceptable.
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:24 PM
 
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It's an undisputed historical fact that that the North invaded the South. And the United States contributed to the North's decision to strike across the 38th parallel. South Korea's first president Syngman Rhee was a fervent nationalist who had been living in the US during the Japanese occupation.


Our own government believed that Rhee once installed in power in Seoul would act rashly and make an attempt to unify the country. A decision was made in Washington to supply the South with only small arms. Their were no tanks or artillery and just a handful of American advisors. The closest airpower was in Japan. The North felt a military operation would be easy pickings.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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Itís more psychological than this.

General McArthur leveled the entire country even destroying dams and needed infrastructure. The north did no such thing when they tried to take the south (probably because they wanted to take the land).

Later the North probably read some of journals of the American commanders laughing about destroying the country and mocking all the dead and starving Koreans. Then they had to see the international community and the UN recognize the US as the good guys ignoring all the war crimes committed against the North.

For a country to be built under that foundation with nothing and no public support for the crimes committed against them and for their race to be treated as street rats can cause major damage to the nations psyche.

That is why NK did not become like any other communist dictatorship (Cuba, Poland, etc.); itís because what was done to them that they are an insane dictatorship where the people donít stand up and until the west understands this and stops putting all the blame of the Kim family negotiations will be much more acceptable.
Of course they were destroying the infrastructure. The US wasnít prepared for a war and had to stop the invasion by destroying all paths whether they be roads, bridges, trains, airports, etc into southern Korea. China had 1.3 million reinforcements coming which alone was more then all the UN soldiers combined, not including N Korean soldiers. The US had half the soldiers that China did. If we hadnít stop that invasion the whole of Korea would be living under Kimís rule.

Despite popular belief, the Soviets actually didnít help N Korea much except with some aircraft, but even then, most of the aircraft was from China. By the end of the war only 299 Soviet soldiers died in combat. Turkey by comparison lost over 700, and China lost between 200,000 and 400,000.
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:34 PM
 
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never trust a communist
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:43 PM
 
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Lived in Korea for 1 year and a lot of South Koreans have no interest in reuniting. They don't want to pay the monumental cost of modernizing North Korea.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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If we hadnít stop that invasion the whole of Korea would be living under Kimís rule.
Agreed, which makes South Koreans eternally grateful to America for stepping in. A long with making North Korea China's problem. Everything associated with North Korean, including the innocent blood of North Koreans, is on China's hands. They just couldn't allow themselves and their ego to accept a western democratic country established right on their border.
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