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Old 02-20-2018, 10:18 PM
 
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Israel's population has been rapidly growing over the last couple of decades due to a rising total fertility rate among Israeli Jews:

Jewish fertility in the Jewish State continues to soar, by Steve Sailer - The Unz Review

In turn, this makes me wonder--do you think that Israel's rapidly growing population will eventually compel it to build much more and much larger settlements in the West Bank?
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Old 02-21-2018, 02:42 AM
 
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No. The high majority of Jews living in the WB are the Orthodox Jews which make up ~10% of the population. They have large amounts of children and their numbers skew the statistics. The other ~90% of Jews want to live in proximity to Tel Aviv or in proximity to a ocean community.
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Old 02-21-2018, 03:01 PM
 
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The other ~90% of Jews want to live in proximity to Tel Aviv or in proximity to a ocean community.
That's not necessarily inconsistent with living in the West Bank, though. After all, aren't parts of the West Bank only 15 kilometers away from the Mediterranean Sea?
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Old 02-21-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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No. The high majority of Jews living in the WB are the Orthodox Jews which make up ~10% of the population. They have large amounts of children and their numbers skew the statistics. The other ~90% of Jews want to live in proximity to Tel Aviv or in proximity to a ocean community.
There are also a large number of non orthodox Jews that live in the WB. They move there due to cheaper housing.
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Old 02-21-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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There are also a large number of non orthodox Jews that live in the WB. They move there due to cheaper housing.
Yep.
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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There are also a large number of non orthodox Jews that live in the WB. They move there due to cheaper housing.
No, a extremely a small number of secular Jews live there. If they were moving there in any high quantity then instead of there being 400,000 Jews there it would be in the Millions. Keep in mind the settlement growth have all been expansions of older settlements and not the creation of entirely new settlements. Thus it is similar to Kiryas Joel in NY where no one except Ultra Orthodox Jews want to live there. Also keep in mind that a majority of the funding to build comes from the US Ultra Orthodox Jews. When a PM authorizes new units to be built, he's stating there is enough funding to extend utilities to it.
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Old 02-21-2018, 08:23 PM
 
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No, a extremely a small number of secular Jews live there. If they were moving there in any high quantity then instead of there being 400,000 Jews there it would be in the Millions. Keep in mind the settlement growth have all been expansions of older settlements and not the creation of entirely new settlements. Thus it is similar to Kiryas Joel in NY where no one except Ultra Orthodox Jews want to live there. Also keep in mind that a majority of the funding to build comes from the US Ultra Orthodox Jews. When a PM authorizes new units to be built, he's stating there is enough funding to extend utilities to it.
Ariel is one of the biggest Israeli settlements is largely secular:

Most of Ariel residents are secular; only about 10 percent of of the population is Orthodox. Though affiliated with the political right, the Jews in Ariel are not considered hardline ideologues. Rather, most moved there because of the higher standard of living they enjoy and the economic incentives provided by the government. In particular, residents can obtain better mortgages and repayment terms because the government designated Ariel as a “national priority” development area.
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Old 02-21-2018, 09:27 PM
 
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Ariel is one of the biggest Israeli settlements is largely secular:

Most of Ariel residents are secular; only about 10 percent of of the population is Orthodox. Though affiliated with the political right, the Jews in Ariel are not considered hardline ideologues. Rather, most moved there because of the higher standard of living they enjoy and the economic incentives provided by the government. In particular, residents can obtain better mortgages and repayment terms because the government designated Ariel as a “national priority” development area.
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Ariel? So what. It has had little growth over the span of 40 years. While Modi'in Illit, Beitar Illit and Ma'ale Adumim who are all heavily religious have had much faster growth. All one has to do is simply google the photos/videos of Jews of the West Bank and they'll see that nearly every civilian has a head covering, strings down the sides of their pants (secular Jews do not wear the strings), and many with long strings of hair in front of their ears (seculars don't do this either). Those people are the religious which in US terminology is the extremely Orthodox.

The WB holds less than 5% of all Jews in Israel. The apartments are paid for and thus subsidized by Americans which covers most of the cost to build them. What's left over is the small purchase price. It is not low enough for seculars to want to live anywhere near the religious. The current Jewish population of the WB is nearly the polar opposite of the Jews that lived there before the Armistice of 1949.
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Old 02-21-2018, 09:54 PM
 
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Ariel? So what. It has had little growth over the span of 40 years. While Modi'in Illit, Beitar Illit and Ma'ale Adumim who are all heavily religious have had much faster growth. All one has to do is simply google the photos/videos of Jews of the West Bank and they'll see that nearly every civilian has a head covering, strings down the sides of their pants (secular Jews do not wear the strings), and many with long strings of hair in front of their ears (seculars don't do this either). Those people are the religious which in US terminology is the extremely Orthodox.

The WB holds less than 5% of all Jews in Israel. The apartments are paid for and thus subsidized by Americans which covers most of the cost to build them. What's left over is the small purchase price. It is not low enough for seculars to want to live anywhere near the religious. The current Jewish population of the WB is nearly the polar opposite of the Jews that lived there before the Armistice of 1949.
Ariel also attracted a lot of immigrants too:
With the collapse of the Soviet Union the state of Israel received a large influx of new immigrants form the F.S.U. More than 6,000 new immigrants chose Ariel as their new home in Israel and doubled the city's population. As a direct result of the growth in population Ariel was declared a city in October 1998 by Prime Minister Netanyahu.
https://www.ariel.muni.il/english/8/
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Old 02-22-2018, 02:35 AM
 
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If you want to connect it to fertility rate, go for it. Anyone can make statistics fit agendas. Reality is that it's political related growth. The WB under Netanyahu has seen growth throughout the region as Netanyahu knows that as long as Abbas keeps on declining talks no Israel/Arab solution will become a reality. Israel will place outposts spotted all over the WB, that may or may not turn into settlements. Without a Israel/Arab solution and the massive failure of Gaza in relation to Jews, Israel is not going to allow another Gaza to be created on it's eastern border.
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