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Old 03-10-2018, 09:17 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Japan thinks in 'long-term' ways. The concept of 'ever-increasing populations' is an American Economics model that fits an extremely large nation like the United States where resources are plentiful.

It doesn't fit for a smallish island nation with limited resources...to be ever-increasing in population. Losing part of your population is FANTASTIC in the long-term.
The whole world needs to lose part of its population.
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Default Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto

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If most nations double every ten years (or whatever it is), than in 40 years, you have a billion people in Japan. You think space is already small and limited Japan now, imagine 40 years, when suddenly you need to divide your space in 4 again, to fit 3 other families in the space that used to just have 1.

It's just a very unsustainable model. The only reason the U.S. can promote it, is because 1) it is VERY short-term thinking in pretty much every conceivable way, and 2) the land available.
One of the big issues on Japan's livable space is that there isn't very much of it to begin with. The interiors of the islands are mountains & valleys, & hard to work into the transportation & energy & comms grids. & so most of the population, manufacturing, power, infrastructure, transportation is on the coastal plains. Which have been expanded, by reclaiming beach, dumping fill & so on. Japan has been experimenting with surface or underwater habitats, but those are more expensive than more conventional construction. & if the population is shrinking, perhaps unnecessary.

Those same plains are vulnerable to tsunamis, earthquakes, seaquakes, flooding. & necessarily, manufacturing, power generation, transportation, living space, crops, warehousing - everything takes place within the same limited area. A falling population may help with that crowding.

However, if Japan moves into more & more robotic & teleoperated equipment, more high-tech engineering for health & welfare purposes, they're going to need more power, not less. & more high-tech workers (software, engineering, materials, & on & on), not fewer. Robotics can fill some gaps, but there's still going to be a need for design/engineering. Perhaps geriatric Japanese with science/engineering/computer skills/experience will get priority on robotic support, work-from-home kinds of schemes? It's one way around a labor shortage.
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Old 03-10-2018, 11:05 AM
 
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So I've been hearing reports and reading articles that state Japan is having a population crisis and that Nipon should start taking in immigrants. I remember reading something that Japan paid Japanese-Brazilians to return to Japan as long as they are pure Japanese and they can automatically become citizens and work. Anyone have any interesting articles or videos to watch which back these claims up? Or maybe even refute them? Anyone who's very educated on the topic of Japan and its "population crisis" please do chime in. I have some thoughts on this but I'd rather go off anyone who knows a lot more than myself. Thanks!
Yes, several years ago during the Recession, Japan had a program to invite Brazilians of Japanese ancestry to come settle in Japan. It didn't work out so well. Many of the immigrants arrived but were slow to learn the Japanese language. Many retained their Brazilian manners and customs, including partying, loud music, and lack of discipline. Japan ended up offering to pay any who wanted to return to Brazil.

Described here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilians_in_Japan
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Old 03-10-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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There is no population crisis in Japan. Japan is way overpopulated now.

J (China) It reached 1.9 billions couple weeks ago from 1.50 billions couple years ago. If population drop at some point in time, I am sure the state birth agency will step up and institute some policy to increase birth rates.

Wrong. Every source I've googled says China has around 1.3 to 1.4 billion as of 2018.
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Old 05-21-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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This is very interesting.

How would an Asian country expect newcomers to assimilate?
In our world, only western countries have such expectation.

Also, Japan is very different from other countries, including nearby countries. It is hard for the immigrants.

The western countries such as the us, Canada, U.K. And Australia are very good at attracting immigrants of different education and skills. Asian countries are not good at attracting immigrants. Singapore, HK and the UAE are exceptions.
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Yes, several years ago during the Recession, Japan had a program to invite B
razilians of Japanese ancestry to come settle in Japan. It didn't work out so well. Many of the immigrants arrived but were slow to learn the Japanese language. Many retained their Brazilian manners and customs, including partying, loud music, and lack of discipline. Japan ended up offering to pay any who wanted to return to Brazil.

Described here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilians_in_Japan
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