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Old 06-22-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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Your anti-US bias is clear so there probably isn’t any real point in engaging you on this, but labeling others is found in basically every part of the human diaspora and isn’t even remotely a uniquely American trait.

Don’t know if you missed the east part of "East Asians," but that removes more than half of Asia... basically anyone who has ever spent any time in East Asia can agree with this sentiment, that East Asia is more conservative. Is it different from American conservatism? Absolutely, but it is also quite clearly conservative - which isn’t a good or bad thing, simply the truth.
Right, east Asians are conservative.

that means, almost 2 billion people

and let me guess.... his assumptions are, he hangs out around Chinese Americans in San Francisco or some place like that, so his observations of a bunch of AMERICANS with chinese heritage in his circle, leads him to believe, ASians are conservative!

Because we all know, American somebody wth 5% self proclaimed Greek heritage is completely representative of all Greek people in Greece even! And that applies across every sngle nationality Americans claim.

Americans LOVE labels and love to talk about billions of people based on the stereotypes they have of those people.....


US reasoning: I am an American and I was born in LA, that means I know plenty of Mexican people..... so let me tell you about Chile, because well..... since I know so many Mexicans that means I know everything about Chile because they are both exactly the same... Latinos! and lets not even get started on Taiwan.... I know a lot of people with some form of Vietnamese heritage, so I am going to tell you how Taiwan is!!!

I am an American, and I know exactly how all of Europe is because I am 1.574% Eyetalian!!! Hence I am from Europe, so yep I know EVERYTHING about Europe!
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Old 06-22-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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Americans ARE obsessed with race. That is an irrefutable Fact Americans CANNOT deny.

it takes a special kind of country to divide its citizens by skin color like America does and lump millions of people together as one for simplistic reasons in order to accomodate American ignorance. *Hence, hispanic, white, black, asian* and all those RIDICULOUS racial labels Americans use.

It is also visible how many americans roam youtube, and all forms of websites talking endlessly about skin color and race.

The rest of the world is divided into CULTURES, culture supersedes skin color, the US is the only place where skin color and the imaginary concept of race superseeds culture.

I am not labeling, I am simply stating a fact.
Of course you are labeling, and this "obsession" you mentioned is yours.
Look this thread and forum is about Asia, not American labels or American politics.

What is it with you newbies? Both you and the other guy need to take residence in the P&C forum, plenty of discussions related to this, American politics, American society, and you can present your diatribes to your hearts content. I have a feeling you will be much happier there.

And where is our forum moderator???? This topic got off track pages ago.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Right, east Asians are conservative.

that means, almost 2 billion people

and let me guess.... his assumptions are, he hangs out around Chinese Americans in San Francisco or some place like that, so his observations of a bunch of AMERICANS with chinese heritage in his circle, leads him to believe, ASians are conservative!

Because we all know, American somebody wth 5% self proclaimed Greek heritage is completely representative of all Greek people in Greece even! And that applies across every sngle nationality Americans claim.

Americans LOVE labels and love to talk about billions of people based on the stereotypes they have of those people.....


US reasoning: I am an American and I was born in LA, that means I know plenty of Mexican people..... so let me tell you about Chile, because well..... since I know so many Mexicans that means I know everything about Chile because they are both exactly the same... Latinos! and lets not even get started on Taiwan.... I know a lot of people with some form of Vietnamese heritage, so I am going to tell you how Taiwan is!!!

I am an American, and I know exactly how all of Europe is because I am 1.574% Eyetalian!!! Hence I am from Europe, so yep I know EVERYTHING about Europe!
This was a remarkably pointless rant in the first place, but it's made even more pointless by the fact that if you look at the header for my post which indicates where I live, you'll see that I'm located in China.
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Old 06-22-2018, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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It took Reddit to see the bubble the Americans in, it takes people like you to actually get me to start complaining about it. Are you serious about the insanely insular and delinquent standing of liberal Americans in the global field?

There's a reason why even the European left-wing is associated with Anti-Americanism, because simply the US does not understand globalism and global cultures as positively as Europe or the Commonwealth Realms.

As a Indian Hindu Nationalist, I am well understood by most Canadians, Europeans, Australians, but oh forbid I find a place between the Christian Right and ̶m̶u̶s̶l̶i̶m̶ Socialist Left to explain the idea of a politically multicultural and plural planet where Europe isn't a fountain of goodness.
You must be in a strange place if it takes a content directed at someone else and totally unrelated to your following comments to start complaining.

This conversation and specifically my comments had nothing do with Indian or South Asian politics or social issues and I never made and comments related to them, or for that matter, any statements which indicate that American liberal (or conservative (I stances have any more validity than those of any others. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you know basically nothing of my political or social stances on American or global issues.

If you seek to engage Americans (or anyone else for that matter) on these issues that bag at you, you could always start a thread about them and encourage dialogue instead of derailing this one.
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Old 06-23-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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You must be in a strange place if it takes a content directed at someone else and totally unrelated to your following comments to start complaining.

This conversation and specifically my comments had nothing do with Indian or South Asian politics or social issues and I never made and comments related to them, or for that matter, any statements which indicate that American liberal (or conservative (I stances have any more validity than those of any others. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you know basically nothing of my political or social stances on American or global issues.

If you seek to engage Americans (or anyone else for that matter) on these issues that bag at you, you could always start a thread about them and encourage dialogue instead of derailing this one.
India and East Asia have similar right-wing political parties. It's communist China where politics is a bit different.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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India and East Asia have similar right-wing political parties. It's communist China where politics is a bit different.
Eh, Japan and Korea are monolingual/monocultural places... India is vastly more diverse culturally, spiritually, politically, and to a lesser degree linguistically.

They do have right wing nationalism, like India. China is thought of as "left wing" due to being communist, but it has minimal, borderline nonexistant social services, and is highly nationalist and statist. Perhaps the biggest fundamental, functional difference today between it and the other countries in question is that it is a one-party state.
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Old 06-24-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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Eh, Japan and Korea are monolingual/monocultural places... India is vastly more diverse culturally, spiritually, politically, and to a lesser degree linguistically.

They do have right wing nationalism, like India. China is thought of as "left wing" due to being communist, but it has minimal, borderline nonexistant social services, and is highly nationalist and statist. Perhaps the biggest fundamental, functional difference today between it and the other countries in question is that it is a one-party state.
China is technically similar to the USSR albeit it allows more capitalism. It's social values are almost identical to the USSR.

Japan, and to an extent Korea, have the traditionalist "socially liberal" right-wing parties thanks to the influence of Hinduism/Buddhism, though Korea has a stronger Christian far-right and the Buddhists are centrists.

India has the concept of Hindu Nationalism that works to get rid of the 'foriegn' Christian and Muslim influences, which happen to be the main causes of social conservatism in the western sense, hence why India's progressive middle class Hindus are mostly right-wing.

India is basically like a European Union that was put together by colonialism, whereas China is more akin to Russia or the United States (only Hispanic/French/British that was assimilated into British). Hindu Nationalism refers to Indian thinking, not just Hinduism, though Hinduism is not well defined either.

Japan also used to be a one-party state in the same way Singapore is. Indian democracy historically gave more priority to random selection (juries) and imperial decree rather than the electorate, but religious theology was never a major part of Indian politics - vegetarianism and cow politics are to do with the Buddha and not "Hinduism" for example.
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