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Old 06-22-2018, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Evangelical Asians comprise a smaller percentage of the Asian community than evangelical whites in the white population.
Even if that’s the case, 4 in 10 Asian Americans identify as Christian, and evangelicals aren’t the only conservative Christians... also, the 4 in 10 figure also includes people with South or Central Asian ancestry who are Muslim or Hindu. I’d wager that a larger percentage of East Asian Americans are Christian, which would come as no surprise to anyone who’s ever lived in or around a Filipino-, Korean- or Vietnamese-American community.

Of course, being Christian doesn’t automatically mean "conservative," and of course there are plenty of Asian Americans who are plenty liberal, especially in the major coastal metropolises, but there is a very clear and substantive conservative element to the East Asian American community.
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Old 06-22-2018, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Americans have an inability to differentiate people

they love labels

Asians, latinos, whites, blacks, and they cannot phantom that those labels do not really fit the enormous diversity of the people that fall within them.

Therefore arguments such as ASIANS *An enormous continent with over 4billion people* are conservative. And when he says conservative, he means US style conservative. *Because Americans also have a hard time not making it about the US*
Your anti-US bias is clear so there probably isnít any real point in engaging you on this, but labeling others is found in basically every part of the human diaspora and isnít even remotely a uniquely American trait.

Donít know if you missed the east part of "East Asians," but that removes more than half of Asia... basically anyone who has ever spent any time in East Asia can agree with this sentiment, that East Asia is more conservative. Is it different from American conservatism? Absolutely, but it is also quite clearly conservative - which isnít a good or bad thing, simply the truth.
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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Americans have an inability to differentiate people

they love labels

Asians, latinos, whites, blacks, and they cannot phantom that those labels do not really fit the enormous diversity of the people that fall within them.

Therefore arguments such as ASIANS *An enormous continent with over 4billion people* are conservative. And when he says conservative, he means US style conservative. *Because Americans also have a hard time not making it about the US*
DEFINE IRONY:
A poster labeling a nationality ("Americans have an inability to differentiate people") to show how labeling is wrong.


No doubt some of the posters here are misinterpreting the original article and/or going off topic, including you as the topic is not about the entire continent of Asia. The original article is much more complex. The article was written by a Fullbright scholar that is or has living in China for a number of years.

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Old 06-22-2018, 09:48 AM
 
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True, the US as a whole is more conservative than Europe, Canada, and Australia, but keep in mind I lived all my life in California, which is far to the left of the US. California appears "conservative" mostly because it's forced to abide by conservative federal laws enacted by Texas, the rest of the South, Utah, parts of the Midwest, etc. If California got independence, it would easily be at least as liberal as Europe or Canada.
California isn't liberal by global standards, if the term liberal actually makes sense outside western culture.

In most of Western Europe and actually India, the idea of marriage is thought of as being regressive in the social sense (i.e. what the left-wing has been fighting for) and instead its morphed into something cultural, therefore the idea of gay marriage being anything worth caring about is beyond me personally.

I don't consider liberalism to be a concept outside the western world. It's based on reforming the strictness that provided the old order, comprised of the European churches and the associated gentry, by allowing any common man to use his/her money however wished and removing the control of "divine rule" of Kings.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Your anti-US bias is clear so there probably isn’t any real point in engaging you on this, but labeling others is found in basically every part of the human diaspora and isn’t even remotely a uniquely American trait.

Don’t know if you missed the east part of "East Asians," but that removes more than half of Asia... basically anyone who has ever spent any time in East Asia can agree with this sentiment, that East Asia is more conservative. Is it different from American conservatism? Absolutely, but it is also quite clearly conservative - which isn’t a good or bad thing, simply the truth.
It took Reddit to see the bubble the Americans in, it takes people like you to actually get me to start complaining about it. Are you serious about the insanely insular and delinquent standing of liberal Americans in the global field?

There's a reason why even the European left-wing is associated with Anti-Americanism, because simply the US does not understand globalism and global cultures as positively as Europe or the Commonwealth Realms.

As a Indian Hindu Nationalist, I am well understood by most Canadians, Europeans, Australians, but oh forbid I find a place between the Christian Right and ̶m̶u̶s̶l̶i̶m̶ Socialist Left to explain the idea of a politically multicultural and plural planet where Europe isn't a fountain of goodness.
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Old 06-22-2018, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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Eastern Europe is not part of The West? I don't know, but Eastern Europeans are white. A lot of them are blond and blue-eyed. A lot of white Americans and Canadians have Slavic ancestry, and many Midwestern towns have obvious Slavic influences.

If you said the Middle East was not the West, I would agree, but Eastern Europe is still Europe is still the West.
It's laughable that you're equating white skin and Slavic culture with the West when Russia is probably the most anti-West country on the planet right now.

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And what about Peronist Argentina or Pinochet in Chile, who was not overthrown until 1990? Both countries are very white, Spanish in culture. Definitely Western. Sure they've got some American Indians, but the US has American Indians and Asians and Hispanics, so the US isn't Western then?
Latin American culture is not Spanish culture. They have Spanish influence and they speak Spanish (and Portugese), but they are distinct.

The West is not about race and ethnicity, it's about values.

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It took Reddit to see the bubble the Americans in, it takes people like you to actually get me to start complaining about it. Are you serious about the insanely insular and delinquent standing of liberal Americans in the global field?

There's a reason why even the European left-wing is associated with Anti-Americanism, because simply the US does not understand globalism and global cultures as positively as Europe or the Commonwealth Realms.

As a Indian Hindu Nationalist, I am well understood by most Canadians, Europeans, Australians, but oh forbid I find a place between the Christian Right and ̶m̶u̶s̶l̶i̶m̶ Socialist Left to explain the idea of a politically multicultural and plural planet where Europe isn't a fountain of goodness.
Idk why you're so triggered. What he said is true.
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Old 06-22-2018, 11:40 AM
 
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It's laughable that you're equating white skin and Slavic culture with the West when Russia is probably the most anti-West country on the planet right now.


Latin American culture is not Spanish culture. They have Spanish influence and they speak Spanish (and Portugese), but they are distinct.

The West is not about race and ethnicity, it's about values.


Idk why you're so triggered. What he said is true.
Oh so what, Europe is the fountain of goodness for you? You think that Europe is the source of all progress and enlightenment in the world?
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Oh so what, Europe is the fountain of goodness for you? You think that Europe is the source of all progress and enlightenment in the world?
No one even brought up Europe in this thread.
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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No one even brought up Europe in this thread.
He certainly has a directed agenda for a new poster, and is doing his best to divert the topic.
I wonder if he is a banned member that created a new user name.
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Old 06-22-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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DEFINE IRONY:
A poster labeling a nationality ("Americans have an inability to differentiate people") to show how labeling is wrong.


No doubt some of the posters here are misinterpreting the original article and/or going off topic, including you as the topic is not about the entire continent of Asia. The original article is much more complex. The article was written by a Fullbright scholar that is or has living in China for a number of years.
Americans ARE obsessed with race. That is an irrefutable Fact Americans CANNOT deny.

it takes a special kind of country to divide its citizens by skin color like America does and lump millions of people together as one for simplistic reasons in order to accomodate American ignorance. *Hence, hispanic, white, black, asian* and all those RIDICULOUS racial labels Americans use.

It is also visible how many americans roam youtube, and all forms of websites talking endlessly about skin color and race.

The rest of the world is divided into CULTURES, culture supersedes skin color, the US is the only place where skin color and the imaginary concept of race superseeds culture.

I am not labeling, I am simply stating a fact.
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