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Old 05-13-2018, 08:25 PM
 
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Turkey is not slipping into Islamism, as much as Erdogan might want to, I have been to Northern Nigeria, UAE and Turkey. One is poorer than the other two, but Northern Nigeria and UAE have a much more similar culture. At a Turkish University, I saw maybe 20%-40% of girls with their Hijab on, and this was in Ankara, go to Istanbul and it is different. Not to mention the large amount of gay people Turkey seems to have. The amount of openly gay people would scare Americans IMO.
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Old 05-14-2018, 03:07 PM
 
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Turkey is not slipping into Islamism, as much as Erdogan might want to, I have been to Northern Nigeria, UAE and Turkey. One is poorer than the other two, but Northern Nigeria and UAE have a much more similar culture. At a Turkish University, I saw maybe 20%-40% of girls with their Hijab on, and this was in Ankara, go to Istanbul and it is different. Not to mention the large amount of gay people Turkey seems to have. The amount of openly gay people would scare Americans IMO.

It doesn't take a majority to create huge changes. Many movements were spearheaded by a very small and tireless minority. For example, the American Revolution had about 140 principals and a bunch of poor, irate substinence farmers with a musket.

The majority often opt for the easy road. The English fought for a bit and decided....."ehh, not worth it. Let them have it. We have bigger fish to fry." They could have crushed us.
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Old 05-14-2018, 07:11 PM
 
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word look what happened in iran it started small and now hot persian women are forced to cover their heads and there are barely any fire temples left persia. plus they no longer can pronouce the "p" sound because bedouin conquest.
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Old 05-15-2018, 04:23 PM
 
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word look what happened in iran it started small and now hot persian women are forced to cover their heads and there are barely any fire temples left persia. plus they no longer can pronouce the "p" sound because bedouin conquest.
Actually, Farsi has a 'p' in its alphabet. Arabic is the one that doesn't.
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Old 05-15-2018, 04:38 PM
 
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I worry that the general population of Turkey is sliding towards hardline Islamist and drive the country towards a true Islamic State then become another hotbed of terrorist groups.
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Old 05-15-2018, 10:07 PM
 
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Actually, Farsi has a 'p' in its alphabet. Arabic is the one that doesn't.
that's why there is no p sound anymore and that's why was farsi is called farsi instead of parsi. I think p sound in old Pahlavi
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:15 AM
 
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They arenít in the same exact trajectory flow of main events technically. Despite what is recent, Turkey is quite welcoming enough to multinationals. Turkey is much more well known while Iran is very mysterious. Byzantine Empire entity is at least having close enough alliance spiritual affinity with handful of neighbors such as Bulgaria, and those Balkan Yugoslavian labels. Courtesy of Georgia, infinitely extra stable in comparison with fierce alienation of Armenia. Iran just seems to relax as a loner without acknowledging geographic borders. Turkey is further sociable easygoing amiable.
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Old 05-23-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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So I've been researching the Iranian revolution a lot lately and I can't help but notice some similarities to what's happening in Turkey. A secular Muslim country with a dictator. I strong middle class but also a bloated heavily impoverished lower class. I've also heard there's already been coup attempts on him, and rumors of increased radicalism in Turkey have me wondering. I really don't want to see Turkey turn into what Iran became. For a while I thought they where a model Muslim country, I just hope they can restore a true democracy.
Will never happen. Its too strategic for NATO.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:54 PM
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Turkey has been operating against the Kurds, against our directives. Turkey openly supported Islamist propaganda versus Israel, e.g. the flotilla. Turkey makes deals with Russia. It is time to shun Turkey and kick it out.
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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Turkey is not slipping into Islamism, as much as Erdogan might want to, I have been to Northern Nigeria, UAE and Turkey. One is poorer than the other two, but Northern Nigeria and UAE have a much more similar culture. At a Turkish University, I saw maybe 20%-40% of girls with their Hijab on, and this was in Ankara, go to Istanbul and it is different. Not to mention the large amount of gay people Turkey seems to have. The amount of openly gay people would scare Americans IMO.
You are talking about a culture that was largely secular outwardly until recently - its happening insidiously. Remember - like most religions, Islam is an ideology (just a sub-type of ideology we call "religion"). Ideological changes imposed on previously different ideology takes time to change. There is inertia. But as you change institutions, the people in charge of those institutions, your school curriculum, the charities you fund, and don't, your laws on criticizing the religion, and many other systemic changes, then those changes will come and then be entrenched. Edrogan is winning at pushing the country his way - not towards social enlightenment and freedom. He consolidates his power and those of his kind every day.


Turkey is more Islamic in practice than 10 years ago and conservative Islam believers have way more sway and influence than a decade ago also. The difference with Turkey is that you had quite a large relatively well-educated population before Erdogan started his rule. There was already a lot of freedom of thought and opinion and behavior not widespread in other Islamic countries. There is a built-in resistant to backwardness there, but its occurring. The rise of political Islam in Turkey continues. The associated decline of women's rights there, as well as religious rights, non-religious rights, and freedom of thought (while most other first world countries make further progress) is saddening.

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