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Old 06-06-2018, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Earth
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What does this video have to do with the issue that's being addressed here???

it means no one wants to deal with the middle east's crap. Focusing on science is better than religion and race.


It all went downhill after the battle of nahavand
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Old 06-09-2018, 06:47 AM
 
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This is one of the reasons why eastern 'religions' are often hotly debated as being cultures. It's very hard to be a hardline strict Hindu because there's no definition - it just descends into a ethnic ****fight between Hindu heritage and Muslim heritage.
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Old 06-09-2018, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Both the Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) Jews and the Arabs are the poorest sectors in Israel, ....
Keep in mind that they are both subsidized groups. They are considered to be in poverty if they don't show earned income. As they live off international donations, state welfare and numerous socialized systems they are truly not in poverty. One can compare this to Upstate NY in the areas around Kiryas Joel as they are considered to have high poverty. Yet most live in well taken care homes, have Toyota Sienna's and Mercedes vehicles are commonly seen. In Israel and NYS, one does not see any signs that these communities are poor or living anywhere close to what is considered poverty.
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Old 06-09-2018, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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I was watching some documentaries on these certain ultra orthodox type communities and I was really shocked at how many are on social assistance. It is really concerning. They really **** the outside world out and as a result can't really attain better employment. There is s lot of ignorance as a result ex not computers .... limited or no technology. Really crazy cult like behaviour similar to that village of the Dammed movie.
Don't be fooled as they do have technology, it's that they choose to keep it hidden from the outside world. The Ultra Orthodox males of today do not believe they should work at all and that they should be able to study/read their books (Torah, Talmud, etc) full time. This is a contradiction to all those who lived before WW2 and a even larger contradiction to all their sages who they hold do dearly had jobs/professions. The Talmud states that some part of each day should be set aside to study/read and not 24/7.
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Old 06-09-2018, 10:30 AM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Keep in mind that they are both subsidized groups. They are considered to be in poverty if they don't show earned income. As they live off international donations, state welfare and numerous socialized systems they are truly not in poverty. One can compare this to Upstate NY in the areas around Kiryas Joel as they are considered to have high poverty. Yet most live in well taken care homes, have Toyota Sienna's and Mercedes vehicles are commonly seen. In Israel and NYS, one does not see any signs that these communities are poor or living anywhere close to what is considered poverty.
I've been to Kiryas Joel. It does not strike me as a materially rich community. There are many multi-family apartment buildings... crowded conditions compared to the Gentile housing surrounding the community.
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Old 06-09-2018, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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I've been to Kiryas Joel. It does not strike me as a materially rich community. There are many multi-family apartment buildings... crowded conditions compared to the Gentile housing surrounding the community.
You expect to see materially rich surroundings?
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Old 06-09-2018, 12:43 PM
 
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You expect to see materially rich surroundings?
No. I didn't expect to see that and I didn't see that. I was responding to your comment about people driving Mercedes and living in well taken care homes.

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Old 06-09-2018, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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No. I didn't expect to see that and I didn't see that. I was responding to your comment about people driving Mercedes and living in well taken care homes.
You may want to look at the shopping strips in Monsey in NY that contain all UO shops as there are numerous high end cars (you can even see them in Google Earth).
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Old 06-10-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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Don't be fooled as they do have technology, it's that they choose to keep it hidden from the outside world. The Ultra Orthodox males of today do not believe they should work at all and that they should be able to study/read their books (Torah, Talmud, etc) full time. This is a contradiction to all those who lived before WW2 and a even larger contradiction to all their sages who they hold do dearly had jobs/professions. The Talmud states that some part of each day should be set aside to study/read and not 24/7.

send them all to gaza. that will fix the problem
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Old 06-10-2018, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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send them all to gaza. that will fix the problem
Hey, let's not get political here!

Better to discuss how Christian Arabs are or aren't at the same socioeconomic level as National-Religious or secular Israelis.
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