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Old 06-04-2018, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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Both the Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) Jews and the Arabs are the poorest sectors in Israel, as evidenced by this article and another article and so forth.

A couple of questions: Whenever sources like the above discuss this situation, especially with respect to the Israeli Arabs, are they referring to Arabs in general or specifically to Muslim Arabs (plus Bedouins and Druze)? If the latter, are the Christian Arabs not normally considered in this rubric, given that they're much better off than other Arabs?

As a corollary, are the Dati Leumi (Modern Orthodox) Jews and the Christian Arabs in Israel about equally well-off, if the Haredi Jews and the Muslim Arabs are the two poorest populations in Israel?
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I am so glad I am not from the middle east


paganism or godless all the way!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1s2NFOGyg
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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I am so glad I am not from the middle east


paganism or godless all the way!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1s2NFOGyg
What does this video have to do with the issue that's being addressed here???
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:55 AM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Both the Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) Jews and the Arabs are the poorest sectors in Israel, as evidenced by this article and another article and so forth.

A couple of questions: Whenever sources like the above discuss this situation, especially with respect to the Israeli Arabs, are they referring to Arabs in general or specifically to Muslim Arabs (plus Bedouins and Druze)? If the latter, are the Christian Arabs not normally considered in this rubric, given that they're much better off than other Arabs?
Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics lumps Arab Christians and Muslims together as Arabs for statistical purposes. Many of the reports on poverty in Israel draw on CBS data. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say what is referred to is all Arabs... and if you were to take the Christians out, the Arab poverty rate would be higher.

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Old 06-05-2018, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Montreal
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Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics lumps Arab Christians and Muslims together as Arabs for statistical purposes. Many of the reports on poverty in Israel draw on CBS data. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say what is referred to is all Arabs... and if you were to take the Christians out, the Arab poverty rate would be higher.
Does Israel's CBS lump all Jewish groups as Jews? Or does it further subdivide the Jews, as in Ashkenazi vs. Sephardi/Mizrahi or secular (Hiloni and Mesorati) vs. Dati Leumi vs. Haredi?
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Old 06-05-2018, 09:55 AM
 
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Does Israel's CBS lump all Jewish groups as Jews? Or does it further subdivide the Jews, as in Ashkenazi vs. Sephardi/Mizrahi or secular (Hiloni and Mesorati) vs. Dati Leumi vs. Haredi?
For CBS' Income Survey, this is how the information on religion is gathered:

Religion and population group: the head of household is the only member of the household who is asked about his or her religion. The head of household’s religion is recorded as the religion of all household members. Religion is classified as Jews, Arabs and Others; The group “Jews and others” includes Jews, Christians who are not Arabs and those with no religious classification, and the group “Arabs” includes Moslems, Arab-Christians and Druze.
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Old 06-05-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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When rigid religious views significant effect your ways of getting non-religious education and employment this is what happens.


For example a ultra orthodox Jew and very strict follower of Islam both share some similar challenges in the modern world ....


1. Can't mix with people of the opposite sex
2. Discouragement of mixing with people that are not following the faith at the same intensity
3. Need to follow strict pray routines
4. Have aspect of religious lifestyles that conflict with the way the modern world works
5. Being religious absorbs a significant amount of their time leaving less time for other things


While some people are worshiping and avoiding things ... other people are out their exploring and networking with people in all walks of life.


The take part in religion to the point it becomes boxes them in and limits their ability to progress.


Also very religious people tend to have larger families and that alone increases poverty rates.
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:21 PM
 
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When rigid religious views significant effect your ways of getting non-religious education and employment this is what happens.


For example a ultra orthodox Jew and very strict follower of Islam both share some similar challenges in the modern world ....


1. Can't mix with people of the opposite sex
2. Discouragement of mixing with people that are not following the faith at the same intensity
3. Need to follow strict pray routines
4. Have aspect of religious lifestyles that conflict with the way the modern world works
5. Being religious absorbs a significant amount of their time leaving less time for other things


While some people are worshiping and avoiding things ... other people are out their exploring and networking with people in all walks of life.


The take part in religion to the point it becomes boxes them in and limits their ability to progress.


Also very religious people tend to have larger families and that alone increases poverty rates.
Not to mention the fact that many of them are also on state welfare.
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Old 06-05-2018, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Not to mention the fact that many of them are also on state welfare.
I was watching some documentaries on these certain ultra orthodox type communities and I was really shocked at how many are on social assistance. It is really concerning. They really **** the outside world out and as a result can't really attain better employment. There is s lot of ignorance as a result ex not computers .... limited or no technology. Realky crazy cult like behaviour similar to that village of the Dammed movie.
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Old 06-05-2018, 10:58 PM
 
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I was watching some documentaries on these certain ultra orthodox type communities and I was really shocked at how many are on social assistance. It is really concerning. They really **** the outside world out and as a result can't really attain better employment. There is s lot of ignorance as a result ex not computers .... limited or no technology. Realky crazy cult like behaviour similar to that village of the Dammed movie.
I assume you're talking about the ultra orthodox Jews in Israel. Most Muslims in Israel are pretty moderate, some not all are poor.
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