U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Asia
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-28-2018, 07:01 AM
 
6,722 posts, read 6,597,578 times
Reputation: 2386

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodHombre View Post
Sure, democracy is not what the Chinese government wants. If I were emperor Xi Jinping, I would be more than happy to be the king of the earth.

Yet democracy is what Chinese people want.

This subtle difference is very important.

Some westerners expect that the emerging Chinese middle class who are better educated and better informed will favor democracy and freedom, thus change the political system and ideology of China.

Now, the majority of Chinese are approval of democracy and freedom. Who doesn't? No people want a government that doesn't respect the will of its people.

But without democracy in the first place, there are very little Chinese people can do to influence politics. Without political freedom, anyone who wants to change is going to be prosecuted ruthlessly. 99% Chinese oppose lifting presidency term limit, but it happened anyway. Rebellion isn't a possibility like it was one thousand years, ordinary people cannot even defeat the police.
Westerners need to be open-minded too. Not every culture wants to fully adopt western ideology.
In old days those Christians also thought their ideology is absolutely the best and tried to convert people everywhere in the world. It does not work. On the one hand, it is simply not the best, and on the other hand, not everyone wants it.

Political system is also rooted in culture. In China, parents have more control on their children and dictate a lot of things, and people think it is normal. On the other hand, the law requires adult children to support their elderly parents. It will not work in America but it works in China.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-28-2018, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Earth
4,509 posts, read 3,092,720 times
Reputation: 3355
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post
It depends on how you look at it.
Hollywood movies and the TV shows have more black and Hispanic roles than Asian roles, especially males.
White women are more likely to marry/date Hispanic and black men than Asian men.

you had bruce lee. nuff said.


Harold and kumar go to white castle was epic.



White women are free to marry who ever they want. Its the age of #metoo.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post
Westerners need to be open-minded too. Not every culture wants to fully adopt western ideology.
In old days those Christians also thought their ideology is absolutely the best and tried to convert people everywhere in the world. It does not work. On the one hand, it is simply not the best, and on the other hand, not everyone wants it.

Political system is also rooted in culture. In China, parents have more control on their children and dictate a lot of things, and people think it is normal. On the other hand, the law requires adult children to support their elderly parents. It will not work in America but it works in China.

christianity should only be used to break the power the communist party.



Chinese are obedient because of confucious. Confucius says obey. He lived during the spring and autumn period where wars were going on. He wanted to stability.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-28-2018, 10:54 AM
 
Location: southern california
55,644 posts, read 74,585,953 times
Reputation: 48138
From those I spoke with in China recently they feel managed capitalism is working for them
I think the other communist countries could learn much from them
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-28-2018, 11:39 AM
 
6,722 posts, read 6,597,578 times
Reputation: 2386
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous-Boy View Post
you had bruce lee. nuff said.


Harold and kumar go to white castle was epic.



White women are free to marry who ever they want. Its the age of #metoo.





christianity should only be used to break the power the communist party.



Chinese are obedient because of confucious. Confucius says obey. He lived during the spring and autumn period where wars were going on. He wanted to stability.
Bruce Lee is was never "sexy" in his movies. Instead he was asexual.
Black/white heroes in the movies are all womanizers one way or another, and eventually sleep with the beautiful women.

Chinese are not obedient because of Confucius. First of all, they are not particularly obedient; secondly, it is too simplistic to say it is because of Confucius.
Since the 1800s, China has had more revolutions/rebels than most if not all countries in the world.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-28-2018, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
9,561 posts, read 2,641,528 times
Reputation: 2541
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948 View Post
From those I spoke with in China recently they feel managed capitalism is working for them
I think the other communist countries could learn much from them
No capitalism has destroyed China just like it destroyed Africa post colonialism.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-28-2018, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
1,854 posts, read 3,416,822 times
Reputation: 1801
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post

Chinese are not obedient because of Confucius. First of all, they are not particularly obedient; secondly, it is too simplistic to say it is because of Confucius.
Since the 1800s, China has had more revolutions/rebels than most if not all countries in the world.
Well on this part, there is a grain of truth to it. Confucius is not the only reason for Chinese being obedient, after all he is one of several great philosophers, but you cannot deny his influence either. There are actually many different interpretations of Confucius some emphasized respect of authority, others focused more on well-being, and some that stressed benevolence towards each other. I would say modern day Confucianism is a blend of all of these. All of the Chinese emperors after the time of Confucius including Emperor Qin Shi Huang Di the founder of the Qin Dynasty took some influence from Confucius as did modern political leaders such as Sun Yat Sen, Chiang Kai Shek and even Mao Ze Dong. All of the rebellions since the 1800's had a lot to do with economic insecuriity, political corruption, and growing influence from outside powers. It's as if the Chinese people expected their lives to get better once the government officials rectified themselves and the system but when that did not happen and life became too harsh, then the rebellions happened.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-28-2018, 04:04 PM
 
6,722 posts, read 6,597,578 times
Reputation: 2386
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urban Peasant View Post
Well on this part, there is a grain of truth to it. Confucius is not the only reason for Chinese being obedient, after all he is one of several great philosophers, but you cannot deny his influence either. There are actually many different interpretations of Confucius some emphasized respect of authority, others focused more on well-being, and some that stressed benevolence towards each other. I would say modern day Confucianism is a blend of all of these. All of the Chinese emperors after the time of Confucius including Emperor Qin Shi Huang Di the founder of the Qin Dynasty took some influence from Confucius as did modern political leaders such as Sun Yat Sen, Chiang Kai Shek and even Mao Ze Dong. All of the rebellions since the 1800's had a lot to do with economic insecuriity, political corruption, and growing influence from outside powers. It's as if the Chinese people expected their lives to get better once the government officials rectified themselves and the system but when that did not happen and life became too harsh, then the rebellions happened.
All traditional societies emphasize the respect to authority to some extent. Confucius does not stand out in that aspect,
In traditional western world, people were also expected to obey the religious doctrines as well as people with power. We all know there were scientists burnt to death by authority, and so on. Not to mention Islam and the caste system of India.

In fact, traditional Chinese culture more or less endorses the idea that humans are born equal. The rebellion at the end of Qin Dynasty, for example, started with the slogan "Are kings and nobles born to be superior"? Often times in Chinese history, some poor peasants started a revolution (most failed). Western culture is very different.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-28-2018, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Earth
4,509 posts, read 3,092,720 times
Reputation: 3355
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post
All traditional societies emphasize the respect to authority to some extent. Confucius does not stand out in that aspect,
In traditional western world, people were also expected to obey the religious doctrines as well as people with power. We all know there were scientists burnt to death by authority, and so on. Not to mention Islam and the caste system of India.

In fact, traditional Chinese culture more or less endorses the idea that humans are born equal. The rebellion at the end of Qin Dynasty, for example, started with the slogan "Are kings and nobles born to be superior"? Often times in Chinese history, some poor peasants started a revolution (most failed). Western culture is very different.

yes. it has better sanitation, clean water(except in flint, MI), and air condition. 3 things that separate it from the third world.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-28-2018, 05:18 PM
 
6,722 posts, read 6,597,578 times
Reputation: 2386
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous-Boy View Post
yes. it has better sanitation, clean water(except in flint, MI), and air condition. 3 things that separate it from the third world.
Many third world countries have those too, such as Maldives.

If you manufacturer most products in the world, don't expect to have good air.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-30-2018, 07:22 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
21,366 posts, read 19,297,224 times
Reputation: 8483
China will be doing fine in the future, it has the critical mass and the brains.
India will follow later on and probably try to avoid some of the mistakes China has made.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > World Forums > Asia
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top