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Old 07-30-2018, 06:48 PM
 
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Agreed. As already mentioned, this is known as "fake news." Marines are in most countries around the world protecting embassies. They're cheap security guards for uncle sam (private ones would be more expensive).

The reason this is news is because the US doesn't have an embassy in Taiwan (since the US doesn't formally consider Taiwan to be a country, but just a part of China). The American institute in Taiwan is NOT a US embassy and it is not run by the state department, it is a private corporation which provides many embassy-like services on behalf of the US state department. This distinction may seem trivial, but for diplomatic relations with China, it is a big distinction.



Also, considering that the US legally considers Taiwan to be part of China, they would need permission from the Chinese government to station military personnel at this location. Not only has the US not sought this permission, the Chinese government has strongly stated they are against this decision.
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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Why do you think China is on the verge of collapse?

He reads Gordon Chang.
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Old 07-31-2018, 12:27 AM
 
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The reason this is news is because the US doesn't have an embassy in Taiwan (since the US doesn't formally consider Taiwan to be a country, but just a part of China). The American institute in Taiwan is NOT a US embassy and it is not run by the state department, it is a private corporation which provides many embassy-like services on behalf of the US state department. This distinction may seem trivial, but for diplomatic relations with China, it is a big distinction.



Also, considering that the US legally considers Taiwan to be part of China, they would need permission from the Chinese government to station military personnel at this location. Not only has the US not sought this permission, the Chinese government has strongly stated they are against this decision.
The US does not consider Taiwan as a part of China.
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Old 07-31-2018, 12:29 AM
 
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The US does not consider Taiwan as a part of China.
Sorry.

It does.

I do respect your political views, but your opinion doesn't constitute facts.
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Old 07-31-2018, 12:42 AM
 
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The US does not consider Taiwan as a part of China.

The US formally recognizes that there is only one China, all of what used to be recognized as the Republic of China is part of that one China, and the legitimate government of that one China is the People's Republic of China government in Beijing. The US does not recognize the Republic of China as a legitimate government of any territory.


However, the Taiwan Relations Act does allow the US to maintain some diplomatic relations with the people of Taiwan and Penghu (but not the other parts of the old ROC like Matsu or Jinmen). This act allows the US to sell military equipment to the "people of Taiwan" and continue other diplomatic relations as it benefits the US. But since the recognition of China in 1979, the US has not officially recognized the Republic of China as a sovereign territory or government.
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Old 07-31-2018, 01:51 AM
 
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Sorry.

It does.

I do respect your political views, but your opinion doesn't constitute facts.
No it doesn't. The US intentionally holds an ambiguous position. Washington has never said that they recognised that Taiwan is a part of China. They have only stated that they acknowledge China's claim.

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The US formally recognizes that there is only one China, all of what used to be recognized as the Republic of China is part of that one China, and the legitimate government of that one China is the People's Republic of China government in Beijing. The US does not recognize the Republic of China as a legitimate government of any territory.
I know that, but the US does not formally recognise that Taiwan belongs to that China.
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Old 07-31-2018, 02:11 AM
 
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I know that, but the US does not formally recognise that Taiwan belongs to that China.

"The United States and Taiwan enjoy a robust unofficial relationship. The 1979 U.S.-P.R.C. Joint Communique switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. In the Joint Communique, the United States recognized the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China."


from the US State Department's website (https://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35855.htm)
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Old 07-31-2018, 03:11 AM
 
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"The United States and Taiwan enjoy a robust unofficial relationship. The 1979 U.S.-P.R.C. Joint Communique switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. In the Joint Communique, the United States recognized the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China."
America's postition is that Taiwan's status is undetermined. It's more convenient for them. That's the basis of the arm sales and other state-like treatments such as visa waiver and this embassy fake news.

I'm pretty done discussing Taiwan's political status with foreigners. It's the most boring topic ever.

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Old 07-31-2018, 04:11 AM
 
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America's postition is that Taiwan's status is undetermined. It's more convenient for them. That's the basis of the arm sales and other state-like treatments such as visa waiver and this embassy fake news.

I'm pretty done discussing Taiwan's political status with foreigners. It's the most boring topic ever.
You're not discussing Taiwan's political status with foreigners, you are discussing American foreign policy with Americans. Taiwan does not determine US foreign policy, and the statement above from the State Department is not ambiguous in any way, it very clearly states that the US officially accepts Beijing's position that Taiwan is part of China. It doesn't in any way state that Taiwan's status is "undetermined".
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:01 AM
 
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You're not discussing Taiwan's political status with foreigners, you are discussing American foreign policy with Americans. Taiwan does not determine US foreign policy, and the statement above from the State Department is not ambiguous in any way, it very clearly states that the US officially accepts Beijing's position that Taiwan is part of China. It doesn't in any way state that Taiwan's status is "undetermined".
Never have I claimed that Taiwan determines US foreign policy.

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The position of the United States, as clarified in the China/Taiwan: Evolution of the "One China" Policy report of the Congressional Research Service (date: July 9, 2007) is summed up in five points:

1. The United States did not explicitly state the sovereign status of Taiwan in the three US-PRC Joint Communiques of 1972, 1979, and 1982.
2. The United States "acknowledged" the "One China" position of both sides of the Taiwan Strait.
3. U.S. policy has not recognized the PRC's sovereignty over Taiwan;
4. U.S. policy has not recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country; and
5. U.S. policy has considered Taiwan's status as undetermined. U.S. policy has considered Taiwan's status as unsettled.
These positions remained unchanged in a 2013 report of the Congressional Research Service.
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