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Old 08-27-2018, 03:03 AM
 
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But, wait, why do they bother to immigrate to Taiwan where the economy is worse? Isn't Canada the most popular choice among Hong Kong people?
Exactly! Hong Kong people prefer the west such as Australia, Canada or the US. This thread makes no sense.
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Old 08-27-2018, 04:20 AM
 
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I don't know anyone in Taiwan who wants to go to China to live and work. My FIL had a big construction company in Nanjing for years but sold it and and all his property there and won't ever go back. The consensus now seems to be that it was an easy place to make money but those days are gone and now all that's left is a brutish, expensive, increasingly unfriendly business environment with no good future.

I used to have China fever and did business there for a number of years but one day on my return to Taiwan after a run in with some petty government officials in Ninghai I kissed the ground and never went back.
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Old 08-30-2018, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Singapore does not sound like an interesting destination for immigration. My principal reasons are:

(1) Almost 350 out of 365 days are extremely hot and humid throughout the year. Unless you are grown or brought up in similar climate, such weather is suffocating.

(2) Singapore implements a draft system which any eligible male must serve in the army. In fact, no male between 11-30 years old can give up his Singapore nationality. If you dodge the draft, even after you become a foreign national and make a transit in Changi when you are 60 years old (thinking the Singaporean government will forget about you), you may still be arrested and face long sentence or stiff fine.
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Old 08-30-2018, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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China is even less attractive.

This year Beijing announces that it will issue Residency Card to people from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau. It means that with the card, you can open bank account, buy apartment in addition to receive social welfare.

But concurrently this year NPC is drafting legislation that anyone living in China for over 183 days a year, he will be subject to global taxation. That means any income he generates outside China, i.e. any profit he makes in stock trading in Hong Kong, he has to contribute part of it to Beijing.

Considering that the personal income tax rate in China is quite high, i.e. maximum at 40%, Beijing is even more aggressive than Uncle Sam.
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Old 08-30-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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Exactly! Hong Kong people prefer the west such as Australia, Canada or the US. This thread makes no sense.
The thread makes sense. Nowadays the threshold for migration to Australia and Canada is much higher than the 80s or 90s. US stays the same but it gives higher priority to family reunion which most people are not eligible.
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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Singapore does not sound like an interesting destination for immigration. My principal reasons are:

(1) Almost 350 out of 365 days are extremely hot and humid throughout the year. Unless you are grown or brought up in similar climate, such weather is suffocating.

(2) Singapore implements a draft system which any eligible male must serve in the army. In fact, no male between 11-30 years old can give up his Singapore nationality. If you dodge the draft, even after you become a foreign national and make a transit in Changi when you are 60 years old (thinking the Singaporean government will forget about you), you may still be arrested and face long sentence or stiff fine.
From the perspective of a Hong Kong resident, Singapore can be a bit "too structured". Yes, it's safe and orderly, but OTOH, it isn't freewheeling like HK is. You don't have a lot of entrepreneurs here like you do in HK and in Taiwan (which is overwhelmingly SMEs in the private sector).

Singapore's economy is dominated by GLCs (government linked corporations like Temansek Holdings, SingTel, Singapore Airlines) and international MNCs (multinational corporations). There aren't a lot of local companies that have started up small and grown to scale, with the exception of Creative Technologies. A lot of that comes from the local culture that is risk-averse - go work for the government or for a large international corporation. Singaporeans joke about PLCs (poor local companies) which are mom and pop companies that get lost in the shuffle.
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Old 08-31-2018, 03:47 PM
 
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From the perspective of a Hong Kong resident, Singapore can be a bit "too structured". Yes, it's safe and orderly, but OTOH, it isn't freewheeling like HK is. You don't have a lot of entrepreneurs here like you do in HK and in Taiwan (which is overwhelmingly SMEs in the private sector).

Singapore's economy is dominated by GLCs (government linked corporations like Temansek Holdings, SingTel, Singapore Airlines) and international MNCs (multinational corporations). There aren't a lot of local companies that have started up small and grown to scale, with the exception of Creative Technologies. A lot of that comes from the local culture that is risk-averse - go work for the government or for a large international corporation. Singaporeans joke about PLCs (poor local companies) which are mom and pop companies that get lost in the shuffle.
The same could be said about conglomerates in Japan and South Korea. Are you saying most Hong Kongers wouldn't want to work in Japan or South Korea for the same reasons?
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Old 08-31-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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Singapore does not sound like an interesting destination for immigration. My principal reasons are:

(1) Almost 350 out of 365 days are extremely hot and humid throughout the year. Unless you are grown or brought up in similar climate, such weather is suffocating.

(2) Singapore implements a draft system which any eligible male must serve in the army. In fact, no male between 11-30 years old can give up his Singapore nationality. If you dodge the draft, even after you become a foreign national and make a transit in Changi when you are 60 years old (thinking the Singaporean government will forget about you), you may still be arrested and face long sentence or stiff fine.
Singapore actually has better weather than Hong Kong and Taipei:

1. Singapore has had only tropical storm/typhoon in recorded history (it was a category 1). Hong Kong has tropical storms every year, some of them being considerably strong (typhoon Hato, category 3).

2. Singapore also does NOT have any earthquakes or landslides (which Taiwan does), and Singapore was essentially untouched by the 2004 Sumatran Tsunami.

3. Singapore has cleaner air than both Hong Kong and Taipei. Sure, during the Autumn months Singapore receives haze that comes from slash-and-burn agriculture and forest fires in Indonesia, but for a year-round average, the air in Singapore is cleaner than that in Taipei.

4. July in Taipei is actually a few degrees Celsius hotter than the hottest month (April) in Singapore. Whereas Singapore is a flat island, allowing for generous sea breezes, most of Greater Taipei is in a basin, blocking sea breezes that would otherwise cool off Taipei as well as flush out the smog. Summer in Taipei is actually just as humid and a couple degrees hotter than even the hottest months in Singapore.

5. Singapore enjoys around 2,000 hours of sunshine annually, compared with Taipei's 1,400 hours of sunshine and Hong Kong's 1800 hours of sunshine. Only Kaohsiung, at around 2,200 hours of sunshine, exceeds Singapore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taipei#Climate

As for conscription, there are many, many permanent residents (largely from China) who choose not to get citizenship and therefore have been able to legally avoid conscription. That's why the percentage of the population in the army in Singapore has steadily decreased. If you fear conscription, then South Korea is not for you, either. Even in Taiwan, while the army is now an all-volunteer force, each male is still required to take four months in military training.

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Old 08-31-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Singapore actually has better weather than Hong Kong and Taipei:

1. Singapore has had only tropical storm/typhoon in recorded history (it was a category 1). Hong Kong has tropical storms every year, some of them being considerably strong (typhoon Hato, category 3).

2. Singapore also does NOT have any earthquakes or landslides (which Taiwan does), and Singapore was essentially untouched by the 2004 Sumatran Tsunami.

3. Singapore has cleaner air than both Hong Kong and Taipei. Sure, during the Autumn months Singapore receives haze that comes from slash-and-burn agriculture and forest fires in Indonesia, but for a year-round average, the air in Singapore is cleaner than that in Taipei.

As for conscription, there are many, many permanent residents (largely from China) who choose not to get citizenship and therefore have been able to legally avoid conscription. That's why the percentage of the population in the army in Singapore has steadily decreased.
But Singapore is in summer every day, basically hot and humid forever.
Hong Kong and Taipei each has 4~5 months of spring/autumn in which the daily max is usually under 25 C.
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Old 08-31-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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But Singapore is in summer every day, basically hot and humid forever.
Hong Kong and Taipei each has 4~5 months of spring/autumn in which the daily max is usually under 25 C.
Once again, even the hottest month in Singapore is not as hot as Taipei in the summer. Are you sure you'll take the typhoons, earthquakes, more severe air pollution, gloomier weather, and landslide risk in Taipei (all of which are really non-issues in Singapore) just for 4-5 months of somewhat cooler weather in Taipei?

It's not like Taipei transforms into a snowy winter wonderland, except for a sprinkle of snow on Yangmingshan every couple of years, if even that.
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