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Old 09-22-2018, 05:24 AM
 
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In middle school, a social studies teacher told our class that usually the superior civilization (i.e., more technologically and scientifically advanced) conquers the inferior civilization, but not always. She said that Persia was an exception. The invading, conquering Arab forces were behind the Persians scientifically. This was years ago, but what she said stuck in my head.

Later, I read that what we Western moderns contribute to the Muslim (or Arab) scientific Golden Age (the 8th through the 14the centuries) were actually Arab borrowings from conquered Persia. Is this view widely held in the Muslim world? Do people know their history?
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Old 09-22-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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In middle school, a social studies teacher told our class that usually the superior civilization (i.e., more technologically and scientifically advanced) conquers the inferior civilization, but not always. She said that Persia was an exception. The invading, conquering Arab forces were behind the Persians scientifically. This was years ago, but what she said stuck in my head.

Later, I read that what we Western moderns attribute to the Muslim (or Arab) scientific Golden Age (the 8th through the 14th centuries) were actually Arab borrowings from conquered Persia. Is this view widely held in the Muslim world? Do people know their history?
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Old 09-22-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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While I wouldn't call it an inferior civilization(rather the biggest empire on land and paved the way for the making of modern world in some ways), Persia became a vassal state under the reign of the Mongol Empire during the 13th and 14th century. The Mongol Empire played a crucial role in putting an end of Islam's golden era after conquering Baghdad, and had conquered large swaths of the Muslim world in Central, Southwest, and west Asia.

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Old 09-23-2018, 09:19 PM
 
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It was absolutely inferior. Everything they conquered went backwards. It was like the mongols conquering china. The muslims attacked just at the right time after a war between the Byzantines and persians. The 2nd caliphate raped everything literally including the animals.



Historical letter of King Yazdgird III of Persia to the barbaric Arab Caliph



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Q5pNldySzuA


Your social studies teacher is absolutely right.



The arabs got lucky. Now there are no fire temples.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persec...f_Zoroastrians


Persian Women are forced to cover their heads like mulsim arab women and jail hot women for dancing on instagram.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44760840


Now iran is messed up. They have ayatollahs, the revolutionary guard, and religious police. Their script is backwards, illegible arab letters, and read right to left, now like the arabs and the no longer can pronounce words with the letter "p" because the muslim arabs can't says words with "p". "p" was replaced with "F". Parsi because farsi because that's what the muslim arabs could pronounce.



Reading the shahanshah, Ferdowsi said the 2nd caliphate wasthe army of darkness. He was right and was trying to let enslaved islamized persians how superior their culture used to be. This was the land that created Darius, Cyrus, and Xerxes.



https://books.google.com/books?id=An...hnameh&f=false


Because of the battle of nahavand, there are so many social problems in Asia.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nah%C4%81vand


You would not have 9/11, the taliban, Usama bin laden, India would not have been partitioned, Indonesia, malaysia, and the phillipines would still fly the flag of garuda under the majaphit. The champa in vietnam would not have converted. The muslim arab goal was to wipe out kafirs or enslave them. The fall of persia to the 2nd caliphate was worse than alexander conquests or the mongol quests of persia.


The numerals the western world use today are from sanskrit. They are not arabic. How can a desert nomad build a temple? Lets not forget that that Aisha was like 10 years old when her marriage was consummated to an old bedoiun version the morman warren jeffs.

The islamic invasions were basically the holocaust over the span of a 1500 years.



You should remember that sacrifice that Black Peter made in killing their savage leader:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piruz_Nahavandi


Never convert to the ways of the bedoiun. It will enslave you and you won't be able to enjoy the state sandwich of NJ.


Paganism forever! Focus on Science.

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Old 09-24-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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It was definitely a less complex society in terms of its institutions and economic base. However, what generally happens in that case is that the conqueror then assimilates into the culture of the place it conquerors.

Also, your teacher has it wrong as there has been many, many cases of societies being overtaken by military force from cultures that are less institutionally and economically complex.
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Old 09-24-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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It was definitely a less complex society in terms of its institutions and economic base. However, what generally happens in that case is that the conqueror then assimilates into the culture of the place it conquerors.

Also, your teacher has it wrong as there has been many, many cases of societies being overtaken by military force from cultures that are less institutionally and economically complex.
the romans were defeated by the barbarian tribes hence the dark ages
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Old 09-24-2018, 08:25 PM
 
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the romans were defeated by the barbarian tribes hence the dark ages

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Old 09-24-2018, 08:44 PM
 
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At the time, the Arabs weren't as advanced as the Persians. However, in time I would say the Islamic Civilization superceded the Iranian one in terms of cultural, technological, economic, and institutional advancement which exceeded or was at least somewhat on par for almost a nine hundred years with the other major civilizations. I will also say that Islam brought about a seemingly incurable backwardness amongst the societies where it prevailed. Any doctrine that practically says women are the property of men, punishes rape victims, persecutes people for their sexual orientation, deems non-believers should be second class citizens, or advocates public stonings as an appropriate punishment for anything has no place in the modern world.

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Old 09-24-2018, 10:22 PM
 
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At the time, the Arabs weren't as advanced as the Persians. However, in time I would say the Islamic Civilization superceded the Iranian one in terms of cultural, technological, economic, and institutional advancement which exceeded or was at least somewhat on par for almost a nine hundred years with the other major civilizations. I will also say that Islam brought about a seemingly incurable backwardness amongst the societies where it prevailed. Any doctrine that practically says women are the property of men, punishes rape victims, persecutes people for their sexual orientation, deems non-believers should be second class citizens, or advocates public stonings as an appropriate punishment for anything has no place in the modern world.

I think the muslims arabs just captured smart people just like mongols used captured chinese engineers to make siege equipment or the romans used enslaved greeks for teachers. Nomads cannot build temples.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:41 PM
 
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At the time, the Arabs weren't as advanced as the Persians. However, in time I would say the Islamic Civilization superceded the Iranian one in terms of cultural, technological, economic, and institutional advancement which exceeded or was at least somewhat on par for almost a nine hundred years with the other major civilizations. I will also say that Islam brought about a seemingly incurable backwardness amongst the societies where it prevailed. Any doctrine that practically says women are the property of men, punishes rape victims, persecutes people for their sexual orientation, deems non-believers should be second class citizens, or advocates public stonings as an appropriate punishment for anything has no place in the modern world.
Not in all cases. See Moorish Spain/Iberia, specifically during the Umayyad dynasty.

Christianity in Europe during the dark ages was perhaps the most backwards of religions. The Moors were liberal in comparison.

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