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Old 05-11-2019, 03:28 AM
 
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The most recent episode of Doctor Who revealed to me a part of world history I was unaware of, the partition of India. I knew the British ruled India and at some point India was divided with Pakistan being the new nation breaking off from the western part of India. I started looking up information on this part of history. I understand the negative sentiments many in the region held towards the British. What I don’t understand is the violence carried out on both sides after the partition. Was it not true that Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims lived peacefully as neighbors for centuries? If this was true, then why the violence between these former neighbors? Was the loss of British rule the chance to settle old grudges between religious groups? Was it a chain reaction of an act followed by a retaliatory act?
The main reasons were plain and simple, the British empire came and made sure that divida et impera were imposed among all. Creating rift between so called "ethnic" group and "religious" group is what they did best. So imagine what would happen to the leading educated class after the British taught these ideology and decided to grant them independence?

The general mass? they're mostly uneducated simple folk, and with a little bit of push...

Just look at racism in ex British empire, like South Africa (apartheid), Malaysia (Bumiputra policy), Singapore (not-so harmonious ethnic co-existing), Zimbabwe, Myanmar (Rohingya) and many more.
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Old 05-11-2019, 09:20 PM
 
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There was peaceful coexistence but such a large country is hard to keep as one. Its amazing with all the languages how India today stands united. Jinnah wanted his own country for Muslims. Luckily Hindus have their own currently ruled by nationalist Hindus. It's a win-win. Bangladesh would also be a liability for India. India will become the most populated Hindu Sikh and Muslim country without Pakistan.
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Old 05-12-2019, 05:08 PM
 
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There was peaceful coexistence but such a large country is hard to keep as one. Its amazing with all the languages how India today stands united. Jinnah wanted his own country for Muslims. Luckily Hindus have their own currently ruled by nationalist Hindus. It's a win-win. Bangladesh would also be a liability for India. India will become the most populated Hindu Sikh and Muslim country without Pakistan.
Actually there is a recent book from Nehru s secretary Mathai. He claims Jinnah and Nehru are step brothers. And Sheikh abdallah was also related to htem.( through some unceremonious affair which is a trademark of the Nehru family) SO they divided Pakistan for JInnah, Kashmir for Abdullah and INdia for Nehru.
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Old 05-13-2019, 04:17 AM
 
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Actually there is a recent book from Nehru s secretary Mathai. He claims Jinnah and Nehru are step brothers. And Sheikh abdallah was also related to htem.( through some unceremonious affair which is a trademark of the Nehru family) SO they divided Pakistan for JInnah, Kashmir for Abdullah and INdia for Nehru.

These are just conspiracy theories during election times to generate hatred on social media. Consolidate one religion votes for a particular party if one can malign opposition by claiming fake links to other country / religion.



They are trying to find Subhash Chandra Bose disappearance linked to Nehru before every elections but other then social media forwards, yet to show anything conclusive.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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These are just conspiracy theories during election times to generate hatred on social media. Consolidate one religion votes for a particular party if one can malign opposition by claiming fake links to other country / religion.



They are trying to find Subhash Chandra Bose disappearance linked to Nehru before every elections but other then social media forwards, yet to show anything conclusive.
LOL should be some bhakt created controversy then. And I am sure nothing about Subash Chandra Bose, or black money would come out as it wouldnt help any party . May be if BJP wants to win Bengal at any cost, then they may use it later.

Arun Jet Li is close to Congress, he is in BCCI, and still he is a Cabinet minister. So Netas are still safe and let people fight it out ( like what we have in US Democrats vs Republicans) .
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Old 05-13-2019, 02:56 PM
 
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The main reasons were plain and simple, the British empire came and made sure that divida et impera were imposed among all. Creating rift between so called "ethnic" group and "religious" group is what they did best. So imagine what would happen to the leading educated class after the British taught these ideology and decided to grant them independence?

The general mass? they're mostly uneducated simple folk, and with a little bit of push...

Just look at racism in ex British empire, like South Africa (apartheid), Malaysia (Bumiputra policy), Singapore (not-so harmonious ethnic co-existing), Zimbabwe, Myanmar (Rohingya) and many more.
This is true, England was a bully that took so much from so many nations. They did not leave these countries in peace. They took the best from the countries while they ruled & when they left, the made sure they left a mess. The partition was horribly done. The partition focused on religion more than land/population. It made people choose between keeping their ancestor home vs. their religion, pack up and leave. Go to your side of the country, some what similar to Israel and Palestine separation.


The British made religion be Key factor in a country that lived in peace with all 3 religion (Islam, Hindu, & Buddhism) for centuries under Mughal Empire. Many people left, reluctantly feeling like they were pushed out of their home because of their religion. Of course many stayed put, hence we have large Muslim population in India. The Bangladesh + Pakistan joint venture England came up with was even worst & lead to more blood shed years later. How can a country be so far apart and still function as one in an age when traveling was as easy as now? The partition was designed to fail
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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This is true, England was a bully that took so much from so many nations. They did not leave these countries in peace. They took the best from the countries while they ruled & when they left, the made sure they left a mess. The partition was horribly done. The partition focused on religion more than land/population. It made people choose between keeping their ancestor home vs. their religion, pack up and leave. Go to your side of the country, some what similar to Israel and Palestine separation.


The British made religion be Key factor in a country that lived in peace with all 3 religion (Islam, Hindu, & Buddhism) for centuries under Mughal Empire. Many people left, reluctantly feeling like they were pushed out of their home because of their religion. Of course many stayed put, hence we have large Muslim population in India. The Bangladesh + Pakistan joint venture England came up with was even worst & lead to more blood shed years later. How can a country be so far apart and still function as one in an age when traveling was as easy as now? The partition was designed to fail
Precisely even in Israeli-Palestine case, how do they even think such border gore could stay?

Many Indians don't even recognize the word 'religion' and all its meaning before colonialism. All Indian indigenous religious belief were wrapped into packages by the British to be called: Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism. Most of what you call 'Asia' today, simply don't have that concept historically. Just look at China, Vietnam and Japan.. Who somewhat became "irreligious" Despite actually having various tradition and local mythology.
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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The main reasons were plain and simple, the British empire came and made sure that divida et impera were imposed among all. Creating rift between so called "ethnic" group and "religious" group is what they did best. So imagine what would happen to the leading educated class after the British taught these ideology and decided to grant them independence?

The general mass? they're mostly uneducated simple folk, and with a little bit of push...

Just look at racism in ex British empire, like South Africa (apartheid), Malaysia (Bumiputra policy), Singapore (not-so harmonious ethnic co-existing), Zimbabwe, Myanmar (Rohingya) and many more.

Many Indians don't even recognize the word 'religion' and all its meaning before colonialism. All Indian indigenous religious belief were wrapped into packages by the British to be called: Jainism, Hinduism and Buddhism. Most of what you call 'Asia' today, simply don't have that concept historically. Just look at China, Vietnam and Japan.. Who somewhat became "irreligious" Despite actually having various tradition and local mythology.[/quote]


India was not at peace when the British came in. It was in the middle of pagan reconquesta. the marathis were taking over the mogul empire. The sikhs were taking retaking the kyber pass. At the rate they were going, afganistan would have been retaken. The British came in at the right time, divided, and conquered




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AldB-ZPtHc


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There was peaceful coexistence but such a large country is hard to keep as one. Its amazing with all the languages how India today stands united. Jinnah wanted his own country for Muslims. Luckily Hindus have their own currently ruled by nationalist Hindus. It's a win-win. Bangladesh would also be a liability for India. India will become the most populated Hindu Sikh and Muslim country without Pakistan.


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Actually there is a recent book from Nehru s secretary Mathai. He claims Jinnah and Nehru are step brothers. And Sheikh abdallah was also related to htem.( through some unceremonious affair which is a trademark of the Nehru family) SO they divided Pakistan for JInnah, Kashmir for Abdullah and INdia for Nehru.
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These are just conspiracy theories during election times to generate hatred on social media. Consolidate one religion votes for a particular party if one can malign opposition by claiming fake links to other country / religion.


They are trying to find Subhash Chandra Bose disappearance linked to Nehru before every elections but other then social media forwards, yet to show anything conclusive.



Jinnah wanted power and so did nehru. They did not want to share. Gandhi wanted jinnah to become pm but nehru refused. Jinnah did so much haram it wasn't funny. He liked the secular party life.


Should have let sardar patel lead a secular, undivided, india with a uniform civil code and everything would have been fine.


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This is true, England was a bully that took so much from so many nations. They did not leave these countries in peace. They took the best from the countries while they ruled & when they left, the made sure they left a mess. The partition was horribly done. The partition focused on religion more than land/population. It made people choose between keeping their ancestor home vs. their religion, pack up and leave. Go to your side of the country, some what similar to Israel and Palestine separation.


The British made religion be Key factor in a country that lived in peace with all 3 religion (Islam, Hindu, & Buddhism) for centuries under Mughal Empire. Many people left, reluctantly feeling like they were pushed out of their home because of their religion. Of course many stayed put, hence we have large Muslim population in India. The Bangladesh + Pakistan joint venture England came up with was even worst & lead to more blood shed years later. How can a country be so far apart and still function as one in an age when traveling was as easy as now? The partition was designed to fail
England was there for money. plain and simple. India was being being repeatedly invaded since pagan persia fell to the bedoiuns. Mughals were just as evil as the british if not worse. THey spoke farsi and followed the ways of the foreign bedoiun. They were taking india's rich's just like the east india company.


British kept peace in India with the gun like the mughals used the sword and jizya. Lets not forget it was Indians like the rajputs that let islamized central asians in because of their internal divisions and beefs.


As for Israeli-palestine, Israel should drop turn Gaza into glass. Bunch of jihadis in there. cut your head off. there's no helping those people. all they know is the sword.
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Was there any movement in 1946-47 that Partition should not happen ? Probably no.

Muslim League wanted Pakistan. British and Congress,although not in favour,agreed to the demand.


Why did they agree? Nobody knows.



These things were never made clear in public domain.

All people who were adult at that time are probably dead now.



Truth behind backroom meetings and discussions will never get revealed.

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Old 05-14-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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they should immediately start pagan reconquesta. Use social media, education, and yoga to convert the mamaluks. Aim for the women. No one wants to follow so many rules.
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