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View Poll Results: Which is HK more of?
More "Chinese" 27 90.00%
More "British" 3 10.00%
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Old 12-23-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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Hong Kong was never as culturally westernized to the extent that outsiders may think, even in the colonial era.

Perhaps only the local Chinese who were educated in the UK and adapted some of their ways, and Anglophilic speech patterns had some influence, but at the core, they were culturally Chinese.

The vast majority of the population weren't really affected all that much.

Judging a culture based on the upper class is a mistake people (especially Westerners) often make. It's how the GOP got Trump so wrong and how the pro-democracy activists got Russia, Iran, and China wrong.
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Old 12-24-2018, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Judging a culture based on the upper class is a mistake people (especially Westerners) often make.
Well put. So very true.
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Old 12-25-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: NNV
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Hong Kong is no longer the "East meets West" crossroads it once was. It's handover to China has greatly assimilated it back into China. Hong Kong is perhaps no more westernized than Taipei or Tokyo or Seoul nowadays.

Singapore is currently the most westernized nation in Asia. You should have asked this question about Singapore.
You don't know diddly squat about Hong Kong. You've been there before and after 1997? Or at all?
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Old 12-25-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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Hong Kong was never anything but a Chinese territory with a British administration. Yes, it had some areas with more British influence. The San Gabriel Valley area being heavily Asian doesn't make Los Angeles any less part of the Western civilization.
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Old 12-26-2018, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Hong Kong is no longer the "East meets West" crossroads it once was
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You don't know diddly squat about Hong Kong.
I was just in Hong Kong and from what I saw, MrJester's statement is accurate. I didn't see much if any British influence. It's just like any other regular Asian city.
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Old 12-26-2018, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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In many ways, it is still very British.

For example, there are holidays like Boxing Day and Easter Monday. Terms like "To let", "Lorry", "Godown", "Fortnight", "Shroff Office", "Lift",.......are still very commonly or officially used.

On the other hand, it is very Chinese, even more Chinese than Mainland China or Taiwan. For instance, bamboo scaffolding is still widely used while it is hardly used in China.

And some tycoons are openly known to have more than one wife. Most people think that is perfectly okay. Very Chinese.
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Old 12-27-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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In many ways, it is still very British.

For example, there are holidays like Boxing Day and Easter Monday. Terms like "To let", "Lorry", "Godown", "Fortnight", "Shroff Office", "Lift",.......are still very commonly or officially used.

On the other hand, it is very Chinese, even more Chinese than Mainland China or Taiwan. For instance, bamboo scaffolding is still widely used while it is hardly used in China.

And some tycoons are openly known to have more than one wife. Most people think that is perfectly okay. Very Chinese.
Some Hong Kong women use their husband's family name too. Not in mainland China or Taiwan.
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Old 12-27-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Some Hong Kong women use their husband's family name too. Not in mainland China or Taiwan.
Not quite. All my married female relatives (all of which who still live in HK except one) use their maiden names.

Even in Singapore most married Chinese women keep their maiden names.
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Old 12-27-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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You don't know diddly squat about Hong Kong. You've been there before and after 1997? Or at all?
I've been there seven times, all after 1997. Obviously it was more British before 1997, but last time I went (2014) I couldn't get around in just English. Had to speak in Cantonese and read Chinese in many contexts. We're talking about if Hong Kong NOW is really that westernized, not what Hong Kong WAS pre-1997.

Ok, fine, technically you can get around even in Japan or Taiwan with just English, given a translator/guide, but you get the point, Hong Kong is not that much more westernized than Japan or Taiwan after 1997.

I think many people are conflating Hong Kong with Singapore (the latter which is still very westernized, modern, and English-speaking to this day) and thus think HK is very westernized.
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Old 12-27-2018, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Some Hong Kong women use their husband's family name too. Not in mainland China or Taiwan.
But Huaweo CFO, Ms Meng Wanzhou, also added her husband's family name on her passport.

When Ms. Meng was detained in Canada, US revealed that she has owned 7 passports which 3 of them are HK passports. Since a HK passport is valid for 10 years and Meng has become a permanent resident in the City for only 11 years, so how come Ms Meng has possessed 3 passports?

Later it is found out that Ms Meng got her 2nd HK passport because she added her husband's family name in her passport.

It seems even the daughter of a veteran PLA general cannot stand the influence of burgeoisie liberalization.

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