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Old 01-08-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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Anyway, even Lu Xun's "Story of Ah Q" was dropped from some textbooks in China and replaced by excerpt from Jin Yong's Marital art novels.

So Chinese language syllabus in China's school looks like the replica of pseudo popular culture from Hong Kong.
Jin Yong is one of the most influential writers in contemporary China, why not use one of his works in textbook?

Chinese textbooks are full of Lu Xun. When I was in middle school and high school, there was at least one article from him in each semester. I support the idea to eliminate some of them. But Ah Q should stay.
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:45 PM
 
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I checked the Chinese language textbooks published in Taiwan for Middle and High Schools. None of any writings from any political figures from Modern China is excerpted into the textbook. Writings from Lu Xun and Jin Yong are adopted. Writings from some famous Taiwanese writers like Yu Kwang-chung are also adopted.

Way back when KMT monopolized political power, there used to be an introductory page written by Chiang on the first page of textbook. But that era has long gone.

IMO the kids should be left alone from politics.

Anyway Taiwan's textbook can embrace Lu Xun's writing while China's textbook cannot embrace Hu Shih's writing. That really tells you something.

Well, Lu Xun was lucky in dying early. I don't see how he could survive anti-rightist movement and Cultural Revolution. But if he didn't die early, probably he would have also fled to Taiwan like Hu Shih did in 1949.
People sit in a language class to learn how to read, write and speak properly. Political brainwashing (liberal or conservative) is a by product.

It is widely believed that young people from mainland China have much better Chinese reading and writing skills than those in Hong Kong. Young people in mainland China also have better oral communication skills than those from Taiwan (I am not talking about the accents).

So Chinese language education in mainland China is relatively successful.

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Old 01-10-2019, 06:37 AM
 
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I checked the Chinese language textbooks published in Taiwan for Middle and High Schools. None of any writings from any political figures from Modern China is excerpted into the textbook. Writings from Lu Xun and Jin Yong are adopted. Writings from some famous Taiwanese writers like Yu Kwang-chung are also adopted.

Way back when KMT monopolized political power, there used to be an introductory page written by Chiang on the first page of textbook. But that era has long gone.

IMO the kids should be left alone from politics.

Anyway Taiwan's textbook can embrace Lu Xun's writing while China's textbook cannot embrace Hu Shih's writing. That really tells you something.
Lu Xun yes, Jin Yong no. Jin Yong's books are like Harry Potter, only far more egotistical and patriarchal. Why would they be put in textbooks?

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Young people in mainland China also have better oral communication skills than those from Taiwan (I am not talking about the accents).
According to whom? You?
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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Lu Xun yes, Jin Yong no. Jin Yong's books are like Harry Potter, only far more egotistical and patriarchal. Why would they be put in textbooks?


According to whom? You?
According to what I heard from many many people, including Taiwanese.

Some random examples (not to say I support all those claims):
https://tw.answers.yahoo.com/questio...1000016KK00503
http://www.sgps.tyc.edu.tw/96/head/p...photo_1_2.html
http://zenpower.pixnet.net/blog/post...97%9C%E9%8D%B5
http://bbs.tianya.cn/post-333-646384-1.shtml
https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/c...0170819-788416
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:25 PM
 
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Oh wow. These sources are brilliant, especially that Yahoo answers one. You should definitely cite them next time you write one of your articles for “Convenient Theory for You Monthly”.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:40 AM
 
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Oh wow. These sources are brilliant, especially that Yahoo answers one. You should definitely cite them next time you write one of your articles for “Convenient Theory for You Monthly”.
This is just a forum and you don't need to believe anything. Just pretend you don't know. How convenient.

I gave the links mainly to other readers here. You are well known to be stubborn and against everything about China.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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It is widely believed that young people from mainland China have much better Chinese reading and writing skills than those in Hong Kong. Young people in mainland China also have better oral communication skills than those from Taiwan (I am not talking about the accents).
Well, HK is a different case because of its hodge podge of educational systems.

The young people in PRC might have good communication skills in terms of speaking, but many being of the child policy generation, many of them don't know how to manage differences of opinion between each other well.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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In reality, average students in Hong Kong do much better than students in China in Science, Mathematics and Reading. Here is the latest PISA test result: PISA Worldwide Ranking - average score of math, science and reading - FactsMaps

Hong Kong ranks 2nd and China ranks 10th.

Moreover, China's relative high ranking should be viewed with grain of salt. Cheating in test, always with the cooperation of the authority and teachers, is so rampant that SAT withdrew all its test centers in China to make sure that cheating can be avoided. Students in China have to travel to Hong Kong, Taiwan and even Singapore to take the SAT test.
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Old 01-11-2019, 03:55 PM
 
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Moreover, China's relative high ranking should be viewed with grain of salt. Cheating in test, always with the cooperation of the authority and teachers, is so rampant that SAT withdrew all its test centers in China to make sure that cheating can be avoided. Students in China have to travel to Hong Kong, Taiwan and even Singapore to take the SAT test.
With the exception of international schools, China doesn't really allow administration of the SAT for political reasons - it's kind of a tacit admission about the unpopularity of its gaokao examination system. That said, there are some local public high schools with international sections that are designed to prepare students for overseas study.
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:37 PM
 
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In reality, average students in Hong Kong do much better than students in China in Science, Mathematics and Reading. Here is the latest PISA test result: PISA Worldwide Ranking - average score of math, science and reading - FactsMaps

Hong Kong ranks 2nd and China ranks 10th.

Moreover, China's relative high ranking should be viewed with grain of salt. Cheating in test, always with the cooperation of the authority and teachers, is so rampant that SAT withdrew all its test centers in China to make sure that cheating can be avoided. Students in China have to travel to Hong Kong, Taiwan and even Singapore to take the SAT test.
Totally BS and very offensive.
PISA has zero to do with SAT. Very few Chinese students take SAT to begin with. Hong Kong should be compared to Beijing and Shanghai, not rural villages of China.
Shanghai used to rank No. 1 in ALL FIELDS of PISA too, before other provinces are involved. So it is not quite useful as a criterion here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f559d02c4fed

PISA reading test also has a different focus, reflecting western style of education. For example, I am sure students from Taiwan spent a lot of time on classical Chinese, and classical Chinese IS useful if you are an advanced Chinese reader/writer, but that knowledge and skill will not show in the scores at all.

You can just take a look at the college entrance exam of China, the Chinese language part. That represents the expectation of Chinese language proficiency for high school students. And then see how much you can score.
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