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Old 01-21-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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Most of the people who were murdered by the Japanese in the Pacific War were not white, wouldn't that be a plus to most White Americans during that time period?
No, there was considerable effort & interest in the US @ the time in evangelizing China - dating back to the Spanish & Portuguese efforts when Spain colonized the Philippines to serve as a depot for their China trade, while Portugal came round the Horn of Africa & across the Indian Ocean & up the coast to China.


President Carter reminisced @ one point - there were regular Sunday collections taken in his church (Protestant) in GA - to help support the missionaries in their work in China. Those mission kids tended to grow up & take influential posts in government & NGO agencies' work in China & Asia in general. They typically had a long head start on other personnel, if they learned Chinese, Korean, etc. languages & cultures while young - & possibly had a network of contacts, sometimes high-ranking government & civil types in country.


Roman Catholicism was also active in Asia - but I'd have to dig through the histories to see what exactly they were doing in China in the 1930s & 1940s CE.
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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There should be more done to christianize china to the point where it can overthrow the godless communists possibly through another taiping rebellion.
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:52 PM
 
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There should be more done to christianize china to the point where it can overthrow the godless communists possibly through another taiping rebellion.
Well, it's been a good 1700 years since Christianity became a going concern in the West. (Of course, from the Chinese POV, that's early days yet …)
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Old 01-22-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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Yeah I think the proper label to Japan's attrocities is "democide" not "genocide" as they would simply kill who was not Japanese, rather than directed to certain peoples. Not sure what enemies of Japan practiced the same, of course Japan lost an enourmous amount of civilians, mostly from allied strategic bombing campaign. Both sides practiced this, Japan likewise bombed population centers in China, and that's the terrible cost of the concept known as Total War. Again the difference was once Japan surrendered, civilians deaths ended and bombing ceased. In contrast once Singapore, the Philipines, provinces in China, and elsewhere, surrendered and were occupied by Japan - the killings to civilians were only beginning.

Chang was a US citizen of Chinese heritage. I've heard argument that her claims were exaggerated but many of these claims came from Japanese right wing radicals. I log that the same as the Holocaust Deniers. Japanese government as a whole has admitted (under global pressure) that these attrocities took place, Japanese veterans years later also admitted these attrocities took place. There is some question on casualties, who really knows - but the argument that 150,000 vs. 200,000 Chinese civilians were murdered in Nanking really make that much of a difference?

And finally, yes Japan's conduct during the war was unique to Japan, and only during that militaristic period from the 30's to the 40s. Japan has certainly changed to embrace pacifism after the war and thus has done a 360 turn around, there current military forces only dedicated to self defense. Likewise, Japan had war in the late 19th and early 20th century, prior to the 30s, where their conduct was relativly civilized - well treated POWs, prisoner exchanges, etc.


The power grab by Japan’s radical conservative military faction over those who were more moderate in the military and government lead to its militaristic period in ‘30s and ‘40s, and brutal behavior during WWII. But it was a continuance of the oft observed phenomena of radicals defeating moderates for power in government - regardless of country, time period, or the form of government, often by employing ruthless tactics.

Sometimes the actions/policies of the new radical government eventually lead to its collapse, as in the case of Japan during WWll. But sometimes it manages to hold onto power for long periods of time through brutal suppression of any and all opposition. In either case, the cost is tremendous number of deaths and suffering among the populace.

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Old 01-25-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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Japan committed some of the worst atrocities during WWII, but most of them seem to be ignored in history books. While everyone knows about the Holocaust, and even somewhat about Stalin, Imperial Japan seems to be looked over. I'm Jewish myself, but I do think that the actions of Japan in WWII should be taught at least on a somewhat similar level to those of Nazi Germany
I wish someone writes a history about how many civilians were murdered by British or imperial powers outside of war. To support the war effort Churchill starved and murdered close to 2 million people in Bengal . Reason he gave?? They were already underfed.

Everyone knows it s a war and you still expect to be served 3 course meals??
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Old 01-25-2019, 09:10 AM
 
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I wish someone writes a history about how many civilians were murdered by British or imperial powers outside of war. To support the war effort Churchill starved and murdered close to 2 million people in Bengal . Reason he gave?? They were already underfed.

Everyone knows it s a war and you still expect to be served 3 course meals??
I encourage you to start a separate thread about it - maybe in the history forum, I'd like to hear more.

HOWEVER - This particular thread happens to be about Japanese War Crimes, thank you.
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:15 AM
 
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I encourage you to start a separate thread about it - maybe in the history forum, I'd like to hear more.

HOWEVER - This particular thread happens to be about Japanese War Crimes, thank you.
Sure, thank you.
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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They’re certainly not ignored or forgotten in certain parts of SE Asia. In Singapore for instance in 1942 the Japanese initiated a massacre called Sook Ching. Translated as purge through cleansing. The Japanese harbored an intense hatred of Singapore Chinese as they had actively supported and funded the resistance to the invasion of mainland China.

Thousands of young men were rounded up taken away and executed. This is well remembered in Singapore and there are historical markers in the city indicating collection spots where people congregated and then taken to rural areas to be shot. There are people still alive today who had family members who simply vanished and were never seen again.
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