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The times I've been to Mindinao....General Santos, Davao, Cagayan de Oro....I saw American military. They've had covert operations there for a long time. I've heard from locals there are bases there, but none of it public information. But, if you go there, they are certainly there.
i dont know if they included the American operatives in the Mamasapano Debacle Report. They were there. they were urging a general to order artillery fire support but he rebuffed them
Which will receive U.S. statehood as the Commonwealth of the Philippines. The Tagalogs can keep their self-rule, along with their low-class culture.
thats below the belt attack on a group of people.
whats wrong with giving people the choice of self determination?
they always blame Manila for whatever ills the rest of the Philippines. so why not just set them free so that they dont have anybody to blame but themselves?
im not Tagalog nor from Manila but its only those from Visayas and Mindanao that complain a lot that they are not given their fair share as if these provinces are money makers like Scotland with their oil vis a vis London
Why are we acting like Luzon is one big ethnic group? Tagalogs are only 1 group there. Then there’s Bicolanos, Ilocanos, Kapampangan, Pagasinense, dozens of Igorot tribes, Negrito tribes. And Mindanao also very diverse. It has various Muslim ethnic groups, Visayans, and various Lumad tribal groups who arent Muslim
Why are we acting like Luzon is one big ethnic group? Tagalogs are only 1 group there. Then there’s Bicolanos, Ilocanos, Kapampangan, Pagasinense, dozens of Igorot tribes, Negrito tribes. And Mindanao also very diverse. It has various Muslim ethnic groups, Visayans, and various Lumad tribal groups who arent Muslim
the difference is other ethnic groups in Luzon dont complain like those in the Visayas/Mindanao..as if they give more than what they get.
no need to do that..we are peaceful people. if they dont want to be part of the Philippines? why force them?
Republic of Luzon is fine with me.
they can have a Federal Republic of Visayas and Mindanao
Yes you are right. Filipinos are very peaceful people. The problem with letting Mindanao go is that it would probably become a major haven for terrorism (more than it already is) similar to what Afghanistan was at one point. If Mindanao becomes independent it won't stop the attacks and other areas in South East Asia would probably see an increase in attacks. An independent Mindanao would be viewed by religious extremist as a victory against "infidels". It would be viewed as their terror tactics worked and would only encourage more terror.
The international community needs to support the Philippines more in its fight against Islamic terror. It's time for the west to stop saying things like Islamic terrorism is a reaction to western involvement in the middle east or Isrealis treatment of Palestinians. That is clearly not the case.
Why are we acting like Luzon is one big ethnic group? Tagalogs are only 1 group there. Then there’s Bicolanos, Ilocanos, Kapampangan, Pagasinense, dozens of Igorot tribes, Negrito tribes. And Mindanao also very diverse. It has various Muslim ethnic groups, Visayans, and various Lumad tribal groups who arent Muslim
Tagalogs are dominant and aggressive, that's their nature (also the tribe of Rizal and the revolutionaries). It's bad enough "Filipino" is repackaged Manilan Tagalog forced down everyone else's throats. (Filipino was supposed to have included vocabulary--and perhaps grammar/syntax--among the various Philippine languages--a.k.a. erroneously "dialects")
BTW Visayan is actually the predominant language in the Philippines (like 50%, what a scandal!), but the Manilan government looks down on everything not Manilan. (That is the language of rival Cebu, after all!). Teaching Tagalog to the entire Philippines after World War 2 took a lot of resources and attention away from the country's development than if Cebuano was chosen.
Tagalogs are dominant and aggressive, that's their nature (also the tribe of Rizal and the revolutionaries). It's bad enough "Filipino" is repackaged Manilan Tagalog forced down everyone else's throats. (Filipino was supposed to have included vocabulary--and perhaps grammar/syntax--among the various Philippine languages--a.k.a. erroneously "dialects")
BTW Visayan is actually the predominant language in the Philippines (like 50%, what a scandal!), but the Manilan government looks down on everything not Manilan. (That is the language of rival Cebu, after all!). Teaching Tagalog to the entire Philippines after World War 2 took a lot of resources and attention away from the country's development than if Cebuano was chosen.
Tagalogs are dominant and aggressive, that's their nature (also the tribe of Rizal and the revolutionaries). It's bad enough "Filipino" is repackaged Manilan Tagalog forced down everyone else's throats. (Filipino was supposed to have included vocabulary--and perhaps grammar/syntax--among the various Philippine languages--a.k.a. erroneously "dialects")
BTW Visayan is actually the predominant language in the Philippines (like 50%, what a scandal!), but the Manilan government looks down on everything not Manilan. (That is the language of rival Cebu, after all!). Teaching Tagalog to the entire Philippines after World War 2 took a lot of resources and attention away from the country's development than if Cebuano was chosen.
None of the other groups like Tagalogs. It doesnt matter if they're Ilocanos, Bicolanos, Visayans. They all dont like Tagalogs. You people make it sound like everyone on Luzon is Tagalog or likes Tagalogs.
Also, Visayan isn't a language, it's a language family. The languages are Cebuano/Boholano (same language, different dialects), Waray, Ilonggo, Kiniraya, and like 20 other smaller ones. Visayans cant even understand each other when they speak their own language, so that shows that they're separate languages. It's similar to how Spanish, Catalan, and Portuguese are closely related but still separate languages. But the different is greater in Visayan languages.
whats wrong with giving people the choice of self determination?
they always blame Manila for whatever ills the rest of the Philippines. so why not just set them free so that they dont have anybody to blame but themselves?
im not Tagalog nor from Manila but its only those from Visayas and Mindanao that complain a lot that they are not given their fair share as if these provinces are money makers like Scotland with their oil vis a vis London
It's because your comment of that the entire Visayas and Mindanao join with the Muslim secessionist movement is ridiculous. The Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao comprises less than 15% of the population of Mindanao and the Visayas is less than 1% Muslim in ALL areas. Considering that the victims of this attack are Christians, why would you even propose that the rest of Mindanao and the entire Visayas join the Muslim secession movement?
Whoever told you that Manila is always blamed? And that the complaints from Visayas and Mindanao are not valid? Yes, many areas are poorer, but there are lots of natural resources, especially in Mindanao. When they have mining operations in Mindanao, the people who live around the area remain poor and they are the ones suffering from the pollution and wastes that are left behind. Where is the money? Where do the people who made the money live?
Around 10 years ago, there was an issue of 16 municipalities that wanted to become cities. The primary reason for them wanting to become cities is because of internal revenue allocation. The national government budgets a lot more allocation for cities rather than towns/municipalities. If it was a fairer system such as being based on population or income contribution, this issue wouldn't have arisen. Out of those 16 municipalities, only 2 are from Luzon. This showed that most places that developed later were at a disadvantage, compared to those near Manila which can easily get city status due to them being developed at an earlier date.
Perhaps the most recent evidence of a national government failure is what happened after Typhoon Haiyan (known locally in the Philippines as Typhoon Yolanda). The president put political grudges first before the lives of the victims pretty much refused to help Eastern Visayas that was damaged by the strongest typhoon ever in recorded history. Foreign financial aid were accepted from foreign countries but only a small fraction made it to the victims. Most probably stayed in Manila. I won't go through the details as it's really a national embarrassment. If you think that some complaints from the Southern Philippines are not valid, they I will post some of those details on what transpired in Tacloban City here.
Anyway, the president during this disaster was from Luzon. Pres. Marcos, who is often blamed for financial plunder of the Philippines, is also from Luzon. There are many towns in Mindanao that are near the Muslim areas, that are Tagalog-speaking and even Ilocano-speaking. And the current president is from Mindanao and is of "Visayan" heritage. Why would the Visayans choose to secede now anyway?
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