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Old 05-28-2008, 01:30 PM
 
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What do you mean? Although the US census DOES recognize South Asians (Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis) as Caucasian, they are counted in the "Asian" total for geographic reasons.

If you're referring to "yet another reason" as if there are problems with how the Census treats Hispanics and Latinos, the census does that perfectly and it is the people who mess it up. The census' method of asking race and then a separate question for Hispanic/Latino ethnicity/background is a perfectly good way of doing things, but many mestizos (primarily) and mulattos (to a much lesser extent) in this group fail to report that they are racially mixed, and thus choose "Other." In my opinion, the "Other" category should be completely abolished as to force people to choose their racial mixture. An average Mexican-American mestizo should be checking both Caucasian and Native American for race AND Hispanic/Latino for the ethnicity question.

As someone who has thoroughly studied demographics and always reads the census results, the census does a good job with collecting data on Hispanics/Latinos; my only complaint is that they should stop counting South Asians as "Asian" (because for all other groups it is a RACIAL and not a GEOGRAPHIC question) and start counting them as Caucasian.
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Old 05-28-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: New York City
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I'm Lebanese, and everyone I've ever met has classified me as White. That's accurate. Mdidle Easterners are part of the White race. My grandfather was Aryan!
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Old 05-28-2008, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Burkina Faso
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The white people in Central Asia are resettled Russians and East Germans. The native people from that region appear to be mixed caucasian-oriental. Also, don't let footage of "Borat" fool you; the scenes of Kazakhstan were always filmed in Eastern European countries like Romania.

The U.S. census definitions of "race" are more political than they are biological. For example it doesn't make much sense that folks from Iran are classified as "White", but folks in nearby Afghanistan are "Asian". There's no real racial divide there, and folks from Iran certainly have more in common racially and linguistically with their South Asian neighbors than they do with - say - Norway.
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Old 05-28-2008, 03:26 PM
 
Location: ITP
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This just goes to prove that "race" is a man-made classfication rather than a biological truth.
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Old 05-28-2008, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Immigrants alter their data, I know an arab who is down as asian...

but I agree, if you've ever met a central Asian they look east asian, sometimes a mix between white and asian...and sometimes arab-ish...
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Old 05-28-2008, 07:59 PM
 
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Question Non-Hispanic Latinos

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What do you mean? Although the US census DOES recognize South Asians (Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis) as Caucasian, they are counted in the "Asian" total for geographic reasons.

If you're referring to "yet another reason" as if there are problems with how the Census treats Hispanics and Latinos, the census does that perfectly and it is the people who mess it up. The census' method of asking race and then a separate question for Hispanic/Latino ethnicity/background is a perfectly good way of doing things, but many mestizos (primarily) and mulattos (to a much lesser extent) in this group fail to report that they are racially mixed, and thus choose "Other." In my opinion, the "Other" category should be completely abolished as to force people to choose their racial mixture. An average Mexican-American mestizo should be checking both Caucasian and Native American for race AND Hispanic/Latino for the ethnicity question.

As someone who has thoroughly studied demographics and always reads the census results, the census does a good job with collecting data on Hispanics/Latinos; my only complaint is that they should stop counting South Asians as "Asian" (because for all other groups it is a RACIAL and not a GEOGRAPHIC question) and start counting them as Caucasian.
I've always wondered how non-Spanish speaking Latinos handle this.
Brazilians, who make up a little over half of the population of Latin American countries, are Latinos, but not Hispanics. Not to mention other non-Spanish speaking Latin communities.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Tucson AZ & Leipzig, Germany
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This is a very simple question to answer. The Caucausus region and the Caucausus Mountain region is located near the dividing line between Europe and southwest Asia. This covers an area north of Turkey and Iran, in between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea. The Caucausus region covers much of what is today the republics of Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan. It also includes the southern autonomous regions of Russia such as Chechnya and Abkhazia and Nagarono-Karabakh. The people living in the Caucausus region are Caucasians, and most European and central Asian peoples are genetically related to the Caucasians which today are called by census takers "white".
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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Indians and Pakistanis are racially Caucasian, but (to add to the confusion) are considered (geographically) "Asian" by the US Census. Since "whites" are light skinned Caucasians, there are many very light skinned Pakistanis and northern Indians who could call themselves "white."
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well said crisp, you're dead on
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Macao
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Central Asia was once part of the Soviet Union, and MANY Russians settled and even now you have many Russians, Ukranians who are several generations living in Central Asia.

I think the Russians are the ones who emigrate the most from there. But I also think that Soviet Union prior to breakup was why the US counted it as European and not Asian.
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:31 AM
 
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We just discussed this exact thing in my sociology class the other day. Basically "race" is man made and purely subjective. In all truth there is only one race, human. As the op correctly stated Uzbekistan is in Asia, as is India. Both are just as "Asian" as the other, yet they share no common food, culture, language and look nothing like one another. Also some aborigines are "blacker" then many African Americans.

The whole concept of race is divisive and contrived and I hope to God we get away from it once and for all. On almost any census or questionaire that lists race it allows people to check off as many as they like. This right here tells me that it's all a farce.
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