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Old 03-28-2010, 09:17 AM
 
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Think about it beyond the mere superficial. People are attracted to New York because of many other reasons. Dubai has little to offer culturally. Unlike how Dubai is often described on forums like this one it's essentially Arab with very significant Iranian investments and Persian influence. Long-term, I think Dubai is only special to people from poorer third world countries. It's not as special to someone from Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand. I seriously doubt Dubai is sustainable.
I'm not sure about North America but I know that it is special to those from Europe and Oceania.

You can't say that it's special to third world countries and not as special to North America, because there are third world countries IN North America.

Anyway, there aren't any slums in Dubai, there isn't much poverty at all. I would think that there was around 20 years ago, but since then it has fell into the hands of Iranian, British, Saudi and Indian investors, who since have done a lot to the area, and now it is extremely rich.

Culturally, if you want Emirati culture you're better off in Abu Dhabi or Sharjah. However, you should know that in Abu Dhabi and Sharjah bikinis, shorts (up till knee), miniskirts and sleeveless tops (for women) are banned, and in Sharjah women must cover all parts of there body except for from mid-shin under, face, wrists and hands

So if you want to go the beach without getting fried by the sun you would probably want to go to Dubai !
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Old 03-28-2010, 09:29 AM
 
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Dubai, and the entire region is doing great these days, however, what most are overlooking is that most of the new development is dependant on the west, in particuar the United States' oil imports. What would happen if the the west/US cut it's imports by 50%, or so? I doubt you' see many more islands being built, or new cities going up overnight.

You cannot create a great city overnight, it takes decades. Also, with the constant stream of people entering, and leaving anually, what culture would you end up with? The great cities of the world were created by people, not business. New York, Paris, Rome, London, etc., are not beholden to any one type of business. Let the oil dry up, so will Dubai.
I agree with your second paragraph, but you're slightly wrong in the first.
A huge amount of the development is dependant on the west, mostly from EU nations, however the oil tends to come from Abu Dhabi, and therefore isn't imported.
Don't get offended. Just remember thought, you hit the nail on its head in your second point. People in general associate huge immigration with the USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, France, Germany and Spain. However, it is worse elsewhere. In the gulf nations (Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE), Immigration is so high. I happen to have ordered them last to first, and the UAE is the winner, with only 16.5% of the population originating from there (being Emirati), other Arabs and Persians making up 20%. The biggest ethnic group is South Asian (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh mainly) making up 50%. Lastly you have Europeans and others, 8%.
Culture - hardly. Your second point was extremely good.
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Old 03-30-2010, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Espoo, Finland
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Immigrants to dubai, are often little more than slave labor. They sometimes have their passports taken away so they can't escape. There is a major problem with domestic help being virtual prisoners, beaten, sexually abused, etc.

The immigrants are not encouraged to integrate or mix with locals at all, more the opposite.

140 Filipinas are slaves in Dubai - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
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According to Zapanta, these Filipino workers, aged between 20 and 40, were considered slaves, “abused either physically or sexually” by their foreign employers.


One of the victims narrated that she was frequently beaten up by her employer so she had no choice but to flee. This story was echoed by the experience of another, who suffered a graver fate when she escaped jumping from a window: The incident then left her with broken bones and black and blue all over.
Dark Side of Dubai's Boomtown - The Blotter
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It may be the world's biggest boomtown, but human rights groups say that Dubai's gleaming towers are being built on the backs of exploited foreign workers.
The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
Johann Hari: A morally bankrupt dictatorship built by slave labour - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
Human rights in Dubai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asia Sentinel - Dubai’s Labor Ghetto
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:23 AM
 
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NEW YORK CITY. Duhhh
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:34 AM
 
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Immigrants to dubai, are often little more than slave labor. They sometimes have their passports taken away so they can't escape. There is a major problem with domestic help being virtual prisoners, beaten, sexually abused, etc.

The immigrants are not encouraged to integrate or mix with locals at all, more the opposite.

140 Filipinas are slaves in Dubai - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
Dark Side of Dubai's Boomtown - The Blotter
The dark side of Dubai - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
Johann Hari: A morally bankrupt dictatorship built by slave labour - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
Human rights in Dubai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Asia Sentinel - Dubai’s Labor Ghetto
Very much so. Awful artificially created place in my view as you rightly point out populated by lazy locals with a slace labour force from the sub continent to do the dirty work while not forgetting all those East European hookers plying their trade in plentiful numbers as well.

Nothing to compare with let alone a fine city such as New York.
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:02 AM
 
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Anyway you can also get into jail if you are caught having sex in Dubai if you unmarried and an British couple have recently been sent to jail due to this.

Dubai three get jail for sex | The Sun |News

In New York at least you get alot more personal freedoms and alot more to see, but Dubai its conservative and an over rated city.
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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Anyway you can also get into jail if you are caught having sex in Dubai if you unmarried and an British couple have recently been sent to jail due to this.

Dubai three get jail for sex | The Sun |News

In New York at least you get alot more personal freedoms and alot more to see, but Dubai its conservative and an over rated city.
This has been going on for ever. Although they seem to tolerate what goes on behind the scenes just don't display such behaviour in the public domain,which is far enough at the end of the day.

One aspect about certain male nationals there is how they are dutiful husbands for a large part of the year. Then come the Northern summer,the richer ones send their families to London for a couple of months,in order to escape the heat,meanwhile the husbands play the field like men possessed then return to their role on the family return.
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:16 PM
 
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then again if you are also caught in homosexual acts you be sent to prison in Dubai unlike New York:
Car sex earns men one-year sentences - The National

However the punishment for homosexuality and sex before marriage is illegal the punishment is alot less severe than Saudi Arabia or Iran.

However Arab society does not discuss homosexuality or sex before marriage in public and all these discussions are in private.
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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The comparison is almost impossible - NY is one of the greatest cities in the world - for lots of reasons including the people and you can't create this in less than one generation. I have a friend who lives in Dubai (36) and says the nightlife is incredible - all expats.
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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Right Now - New York

But Dubai is the City of the Future. Dubai in the Future will be one of the Greatest most powerful city in the world. New York is gonna be the Video Tape and Dubai will be the DVD of the world. or New York is the CD Player and Dubai is the iPod of the world.
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