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View Poll Results: Which country do you like better?
Japan 116 62.37%
South Korea 70 37.63%
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Macao
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IMO as a whole including future projection - South Korea will surpass Japan soon.

Why? SK - it is way better now in communication skills than the Japs. That way they can easily market their products globally. Same thing in promoting their culture, influences, etc. Take a look at Samsung, they easily surpassed SONY and now No.1 worldwide, SK vehicles now are competing head to head with those Japs brands. SK Kpop culture is emerging too.. among other aspects.

Among other economic, pop, day to day etc scenarios... go global is the key.
Not sure if you know. But the way you write 'Japanese' is considered an ethnic slur. Very derogatory.
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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South Korea has a better relationship with China than Japan does, so it is easier for them to have access to China market.
Samsung is also building its factories in China rapidly (not just outsourcing to Chinese companies).
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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If there is notion that China will surpass the US interms of economy in the near future. South Korea is on its way to surpass Japan, GDP on or before 2030, GDP per capita before 2020.

But I peronally believe that Japan can make a turn-around. For years, Japan is losing competitive edge on global businesses, taxes are high, cost of doing/operating businesses is also very high, limited young workforce etc... Japan should start welcoming young and talented immigrants as a base start.
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Pilipinas
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South Korea still has a while to go before it replaces Japan in terms of its exports. Japanese products are still perceived to be the highest quality one can buy, but now are more expensive than equivalent US brands were back in the 1980s and 1990s. I don't know about Asia, though. Kpop here is declining again, it still fails to appeal beyond the Asian-American population, and in Europe, it is still a niche music scene. As for K-dramas, they still have nowhere near the appeal Japanese anime has. I still don't think South Korea has successfully managed to market themselves outside of Samsung and LG, at least not in the West anyway.

By the way Coach Rajko, English probably isn't your first language, but as a friendly reminder, "Japs" is a racist term for Japanese. That's like calling an African person a ni**** or a Chinese person a ch**k.
Okay copy on that, sorry for the term. So what would be the short cut/friendly term for Japanese? Just like the way we called ourselves "Pinoy" instead of Filipinos?

Anyway, thanks for the reminder man!
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Old 09-15-2014, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Macao
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If there is notion that China will surpass the US interms of economy in the near future. South Korea is on its way to surpass Japan, GDP on or before 2030, GDP per capita before 2020.

But I peronally believe that Japan can make a turn-around. For years, Japan is losing competitive edge on global businesses, taxes are high, cost of doing/operating businesses is also very high, limited young workforce etc... Japan should start welcoming young and talented immigrants as a base start.
I don't know why people always say that. That Japan should become an immigrant problem to 'solve problems'.

What's with the philosophy that all countries need to continually move towards intense over-population and intense crowds? I realize it's an economic philosophy to make the wealthiest elite more wealthy.

But, on the ground level, you have TONS of Japanese absolutely everywhere working hard at all kinds of jobs, and competing with a bunch of uneducated or even educated immigrants doesn't really do anything good for the many Japanese at the lower realms of society.

Your plan is really ONLY good for the wealthy elite of Japan, and for the immigrants themselves. It does absolutely nothing but produce more stress for the 95% of Japanese who aren't part of the wealthy elite.
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Old 09-16-2014, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I don't know why people always say that. That Japan should become an immigrant problem to 'solve problems'.

What's with the philosophy that all countries need to continually move towards intense over-population and intense crowds? I realize it's an economic philosophy to make the wealthiest elite more wealthy.

But, on the ground level, you have TONS of Japanese absolutely everywhere working hard at all kinds of jobs, and competing with a bunch of uneducated or even educated immigrants doesn't really do anything good for the many Japanese at the lower realms of society.

Your plan is really ONLY good for the wealthy elite of Japan, and for the immigrants themselves. It does absolutely nothing but produce more stress for the 95% of Japanese who aren't part of the wealthy elite.
3 words: AGING/SHRINKING POPULATION!

It leads to myriad of problems and one is becoming incompetent business environment. Japan also needs FDI's, but how will it happen when even the homegrown Japanese companies are all resorting to other countries such as China and Southeast Asia to expand their businesses to take advantage of low operational cost. Skilled immigration will somehow ease the problem due to low labor cost required. That's what Germany did in the 50's when they faced labor shortage. They resort to Italians, Greeks and Turkish for low skilled jobs.

Immigrants will also help the aging and shrinking population. Workforce needs to regenerate in the coming generation. This will also boost the consumerism aspect of Japan.

Immigrants will also boost the English competency of Japanese people. I'm not sure if it is longer necessary.

As for the argument that only wealthy people will be benefited by influx of immigrants, new businesses (whether from homegrown or FDI) will add thousands of jobs for Japanese people and additional tax to the government.

You may be right that immigrants may be a problem in the future but good immigration policy will do the trick.

And by the way, is Japan even bothered by the rapid growth of South Korea?

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Old 09-16-2014, 03:18 AM
 
Location: Macao
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2 words: AGEING POPULATION!
I get that argument. But it's an incredibly short-sighted argument.

What's better 50 years from now, 100 years from now, 500 years from now?

A lower population number with more resources available to them. Or a population that readily doubles every few decades?
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Old 09-16-2014, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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IMO as a whole including future projection - South Korea will surpass Japan soon.
No it won't.
And the biggest problems of Korea is in your post.There is no way for a country with three big,bigger,and biggest companies that could surpass an old industrialized country like Japan "soon".

Ageing society is a HUGE problem of Japan,and it's really hard to cope with for Japan because it is already very densely populated,but Korea's birth rate is just as low as Japan,if not lower,so to think Japan is gonna be surpassed by Korea because of the ageing problem is ridiculous because the latter is gonna face the exact same problem sooner or later,and Korea's population is only about 45% of Japan's,and it is even more densely populated than Japan.That doesn't sound very optimistic,does it?

Secondly,Japan's industrial base is probably only second to that of the US,South Korea has come a long way and the development has been remarkably fast,but Japan is way ahead.Apart from Samsung and Hyandai,what other Korean big brands have you heard of?

As for Kpop and K-drama,they have been quite successful,but god knows how long the trend would last.Kpop has probably jumped the shark,the popularity of it has died down a bit in Taiwan.Still pretty popular,but not as much as 2~3 years ago.However,Japanese animation and comics are still very much alive here,after all these decades.

However,if North Korea and South Korea eventually unites,that could be a whole different story.There will definitely be a rocky phase,but Koreans have been very good at overcoming rocky phases then rising like a phoenix again.


Immigration,seriously,it's not gonna work in East Asia,simply because of this map.
http://i.imgur.com/CK6aONG.jpg

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Old 09-16-2014, 03:37 AM
 
Location: Macao
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Immigrants.
If immigrants are so incredibly important for Japan, and they'd economically make the country prosper. Why doesn't a country like the Philippines do that? Invite 50 million or 100 million Americans and Europeans to come on in and set up permanently?

I find it fascinating that so many people believe that Japan MUST do this, because they really believe this will make Japan even richer and wealthier, but so very very very few other countries in Asia ever remotely consider this option, nor would anyone ever ask them to.

Why do you think that is?
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Old 09-16-2014, 03:43 AM
 
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If immigrants are so incredibly important for Japan, and they'd economically make the country prosper. Why doesn't a country like the Philippines do that? Invite 50 million or 100 million Americans and Europeans to come on in and set up permanently?

I find it fascinating that so many people believe that Japan MUST do this, because they really believe this will make Japan even richer and wealthier, but so very very very few other countries in Asia ever remotely consider this option, nor would anyone ever ask them to.

Why do you think that is?
Less immigrant is not the issue. It is the shortage/shrinkage of labor force. Obviously Philippines has abundance of labor workforce with an average age of 23 years old so why would PH invite foreign immigrants?

We do attract expats!
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