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View Poll Results: Do you consider Philippine people Hispanic?
Yes 44 7.01%
Semi-Hispanic 143 22.77%
Not at all 441 70.22%
Voters: 628. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-29-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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BUT IT WAS OVER 100 years ago! So why bother (re)learning it. There is benefit to English as its more a global language than Spanish (for business). The Philippines has all these languages and dialects.. why not focus on learning one of these?

Spain was not in the Philippines out of the goodness of its heart... so again, it doesn't make sense to me.. Just because historically over 100 years ago you were COLONIZED, doesn't mean you should relearn a language thats pretty much dead in the country. Learn Cebuano, Ilokano.. heck even learn Bahasa.. pero Espanol? no. My grandmother was Spanish and in Manila we spoke Spanish at home, the minute she died.. we switched to English. We did not suffer greatly not speaking Spanish in Manila. There was no point as nobody else really spoke Spanish. Only 2% speak it (including those that speak Chabacano)... so its.. muerte.
It is quite unfair that the Americans made the Spanish look so bad to make Filipinos think they were the good guys.. Better colonizers. America didn't really come to the Philippines to help Filipinos have their land back. They came across the Philippines because of Cuba. When the Americans won againts the Spanish, what did they do ? they took over instead of leaving and giving it back to the Filipino people.. and with their occupation, they removed some of the things that the Spanish contributed to the Philippines and it included the Spanish language. With their occupation, they also made Filipinos believe that the Spanish occupation was so bad and that's what the modern Filipinos believe now. The Spanish also contributed many things in the Philippines. If not for them, Philippines would have been a property of Taiwan, Japan, China or Malaysia. The Spanish united the whole Philippines. They also gave us our religion abd contributed so much in our arts and literature. The beautiful churches and heritage sites were all from the Spanish colony. It was also the Spanish that gave us our currency and our surnames ( No offense but I wouldn't be so happy if I have a Malay surname ) . Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao were disconnected before people could only understand one another by using the Spanish Language. Yes it was spoken a long time ago ( until 1935 ? ) but it is a part of our heritage. We wouln't be what we are now, if it didn't become a part of our history. We should not be denying our history. Yes English is the most universal language, but it is not the only language in the world. Not all Filipinos go to America or other Anglo Saxon countries. There are also Filipinos who go to Spain and Latin America. And what is wrong with learning another language ? The problem with Filipinos , most of us are content with knowing just English. In Europe, they have to learn atleast 2 foreign languages in school, that is why they are multilinguals. In Switzerland, they have 3 official languages ( French, German and Italian ) . In Canada, they have English and French. In Puerto Rico, even though America also took over their country, still,they have managed to maintained Spanish so they are able to speak both Spanish and English. That is why Filipinos do not know so much the history because so many have been removed from our heritage. Well I feel sorry that you replaced such a beautiful language in your home with English.. And it's sad that you didn't give importance to the language that your grandmother taught you..it could have been something you can also pass to your own children.

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Old 03-29-2013, 11:00 PM
 
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Would it not make more sense in today's gloabalised world to make the Philippines a Spanish speaking hub in Asia, South America is getting more powerful and shares the Pacific ocean with a lot of Latin American countries. English speaking hubs in Asia have already been established in places like Singapore and Hong Kong.

Tagalog is nice but impractical to just have this language alone. And as previous posters have stated - the culture is definitely Hispanic with a huge Mexican influence as that is who ruled them via proxy via Spain. Spanish would make sense.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 11:38 PM
 
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Would it not make more sense in today's gloabalised world to make the Philippines a Spanish speaking hub in Asia, South America is getting more powerful and shares the Pacific ocean with a lot of Latin American countries. English speaking hubs in Asia have already been established in places like Singapore and Hong Kong.

Tagalog is nice but impractical to just have this language alone. And as previous posters have stated - the culture is definitely Hispanic with a huge Mexican influence as that is who ruled them via proxy via Spain. Spanish would make sense.
I'm of the opinion Spanish doesn't make sense. Tagalog/Pilipino makes sense. Heck even Malay would make sense. There was a history prior to Spain.. for a much longer than the 350 years that the Spaniards pillaged the country

And why do you say its Hispanic with a huge Mexican influence? What did you see when you lived there? I had Mexican friends that worked for the Mex embassy in Manila and they were not of that opinion.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 11:41 PM
 
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Why bother re-learning it? Because of heritage, We are Filipinos. That's the problem that over 100yrs. History was not properly written correctly regarding the foundation of being a FILIPINO. We are not just talking about Pre-Hispanic. We are talking about the foundation of FILIPINO Nation and People. We, Filipinos will not be a nation or people without that 400yrs too. It's either you like it or not. Our roots as Filipino people is written more on those years. Everything is easy to some Filipinos, because you embrace english, a language spoken by one of our colonizer too who created more damages. Personally, I don't care if you're grandmother is Spanish. I care more of my roots of being a Filipino. Filipinos during the early 1900's only speak their respective dialects and Spanish only as the international language or a language which all of us communicates each other. I read history translated and written by Americans. This is the problem when they declared the 'FILIPINO' as a National Language too so people thought Filipino culture are just composed of Malay because all of us speak our Ethnic Languages & they forgot that It was originally a Nationality that also has connection to Spanish Occupation. They criticize all the cultures that has Spanish origin that Filipino Christians practice from religion, food, dance, songs, architecture, dress, surnames etc. without learning why it was all part of Filipino Culture. Why don't we dig the reason why? Some Filipinos are hating themselves for being a Filipino instead of educating them regarding it's origin to fully understand themselves as a Filipino specially the year of our 1st Philippine Republic (12 June 1898)

How can we learn to know our own history from that 400yrs if we will not learn Spanish. It's all written in Spanish, We have documents yet we rely on translator? There are thousands of documents in our archives that was not translated because of english promotion. former Pres. Cory Aquino shouldn't remove it but now her son Noynoy Aquino supported the re-introducing of the Spanish Language.
The Filipino people have had a heritage for thousands of years before the Spanish., To focus just on the Spanish part.. does not make sense.
 
Old 03-29-2013, 11:56 PM
 
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I'm of the opinion Spanish doesn't make sense. Tagalog/Pilipino makes sense. Heck even Malay would make sense. There was a history prior to Spain.. for a much longer than the 350 years that the Spaniards pillaged the country
Because it makes no sense in todays globalised world. The last thing Pinoys need is to be speaking
a language that will hamstring them and has no relevance outside of the Philippines, it is like Irish
Gaelic in Ireland. It is nice that it is there and it is an official language but having that language as
the lone official language is going to do nobody any good. Yes, Malay/Indonesian would be a far better choice.

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And why do you say its Hispanic with a huge Mexican influence?
Because the Spanish ruled the Philippines via Mexico City for those 400 years. A galleon a day
sailed from Acapulco to Manila and many Filipinos lived and settled in Mexico and vice versa
with Mexicans in the Philippines

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What did you see when you lived there? I had Mexican friends that worked for the Mex embassy in Manila and they were not of that opinion.
Lots of influences, boxing, ****-fighting, machismo, love of telenovelas, Catholicism - could name more
but if the Philippines and Spain don't have that much in common, it certainly does with Mexico.
 
Old 03-30-2013, 12:18 AM
 
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The Filipino people have had a heritage for thousands of years before the Spanish., To focus just on the Spanish part.. does not make sense.
We don't deny that but it should retain too of our heritage as a FILIPINO. Our roots as FILIPINO didn't began in pre-hispanic also.
 
Old 03-30-2013, 12:55 AM
 
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They should have only made English (or Spanish) the official language and not Tagalog. The foreign language would be used as the lingua franca for the whole country while everyone would still preserve their local languages at home and on the local level.
 
Old 03-30-2013, 02:04 AM
 
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I'm of the opinion Spanish doesn't make sense. Tagalog/Pilipino makes sense. Heck even Malay would make sense. There was a history prior to Spain.. for a much longer than the 350 years that the Spaniards pillaged the country

And why do you say its Hispanic with a huge Mexican influence? What did you see when you lived there? I had Mexican friends that worked for the Mex embassy in Manila and they were not of that opinion.
Now, Tagalog is getting ruined by the used of loanwords. People get confused what is tagalog and what is Filipino? to Pilipino. Now everyone is using Taglish, how can we preserved all the ethnic languages with the used of loanwords. Everything was messed up since the American Occupation.

People to Pipol. English to Ingles. Apple to Epol.

How can we preserved this kind of all music.
This is a pure tagalog that doesn't have loanwords.

SINISINTA KITA (Traditional Folk Kundiman) -Mabuhay Singers - YouTube
Kundiman (folk song of ethnic tagalog)

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Old 03-30-2013, 02:30 AM
 
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Because it makes no sense in todays globalised world. The last thing Pinoys need is to be speaking
a language that will hamstring them and has no relevance outside of the Philippines, it is like Irish
Gaelic in Ireland. It is nice that it is there and it is an official language but having that language as
the lone official language is going to do nobody any good. Yes, Malay/Indonesian would be a far better choice.



Because the Spanish ruled the Philippines via Mexico City for those 400 years. A galleon a day
sailed from Acapulco to Manila and many Filipinos lived and settled in Mexico and vice versa
with Mexicans in the Philippines



Lots of influences, boxing, ****-fighting, machismo, love of telenovelas, Catholicism - could name more
but if the Philippines and Spain don't have that much in common, it certainly does with Mexico.
Harana is one of the Filipino culture that is disappearing.

The Art Scene: Philippine Opera Company's "Harana" - YouTube
These are the culture that we wanted to preserved a part of Filipino Culture.

Traditional Filipino/Pilipino Music that is disappearing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HSGvYuru9A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyoBj3roQG4

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Old 03-30-2013, 03:05 AM
 
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Would it not make more sense in today's gloabalised world to make the Philippines a Spanish speaking hub in Asia, South America is getting more powerful and shares the Pacific ocean with a lot of Latin American countries. English speaking hubs in Asia have already been established in places like Singapore and Hong Kong.

Tagalog is nice but impractical to just have this language alone. And as previous posters have stated - the culture is definitely Hispanic with a huge Mexican influence as that is who ruled them via proxy via Spain. Spanish would make sense.
I agree with you.. Spanish is also an important language in the world. It is also widely spoken as the whole South America ( except Brazil ) , central America and of course Spain speak Spanish . Even if in Brazil, they speak Portuguese but they can understand Spanish and Brazil is very big, the size is half of South America , it will be easier to do business with them. There are many Filipinos who go to Spain for work. Most Filipinos do not know that as they think Filipinos only go to America, Uk , Canada, Australia. There will be more Filipinos working there if Filipinos also speak Spanish. Spain is one of the members of the European Union.. Wouldn't it be good a d advantageous for the Philippines to have both the US and Spain on our side especially when we get in trouble with other big countries like China and Malaysia ? Let us all admit that we are just a small country and not even a famous country, we cannot really fight againts other countries.. Even if America colonized us before they were not even able to defend the Philippines when the Britts took Sabah and gave it to their colony Malaysia. If we have more big countries on our side, it could help us a lot right ? There are also Filipinos in Latin America. Spanish is also one of the languages in the United Nations. That just proves that it is also an important language. Wouldn't it be good to be able to speak 2 of the most important languages in the world ? In Asia especially in China, more and more International Schools snd Learning Centres are opening. In a few years, everone in Asia will already be able to speak English ( well) especially since their teachers are really Native English Speakers. So they will be no different than us.. What will be our edge over them ? None ! But if we also speak Spanish, then we have something that they do not have. And I agree with you about the similarities we have with Mexicans as they ruled us for 250 years. We were colonized by Spain under the governance of Mexico. It's something most Filipinos do not even know.

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