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View Poll Results: China or Japan?
China 26 28.26%
Japan 66 71.74%
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:33 AM
 
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@bluebeard: Here's a tip for you: Acting sarcastic isn't a good way to win a debate, it undermines any valid points you might have and makes you sound childish. I already made my point in my previous post, so I'm done.

4chan might be more your speed.
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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@bluebeard: Here's a tip for you: Acting sarcastic isn't a good way to win a debate, it undermines any valid points you might have and makes you sound childish. I already made my point in my previous post, so I'm done.

4chan might be more your speed.
Your point was based off stereotypes, generalizations, and discrimination. It has nothing to do with most people's daily lives in China, and is spreading disinformation. People think China is like "Other People's Lives".
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:40 PM
 
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Considering I wouldn't have to deal with secret police or any other commie bullsh*t, definitely Japan.
i doubt a regular tourist would have to deal with any of that...unless you're working for the CIA or MI6?
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:52 PM
 
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i doubt a regular tourist would have to deal with any of that...unless you're working for the CIA or MI6?
Again, the point is that I wouldn't want my money helping to prop up a communist government. That's not a stereotype or generalization, since it is a FACT that China has a communist government and I SPECIFICALLY don't agree with communism in any form. I'll also repeat that my disagreement isn't with the Chinese people themselves, just their communist government and those citizens that support it.

It's VERY simplistic to paint someone as a racist or otherwise prejudiced, ignorant, etc. just because they don't like you or disagree with what you're doing. Ask yourself this: How would it look if I immediately called you anti-American or a supporter of my enemies just because you disagreed with my government's actions and therefore chose not to come here? I'm guessing you'd (rightfully) think I sounded like a nationalist wingnut.

The sad fact is, I would LOVE to visit China, but not as long as they're under a communist flag. Perhaps someday I can visit Taiwan.
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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dear all:
I think all over the world we need to visit.
all of place have good or bad.
We can't absolutely think which country is the best.
Looks like anything is relative .
Hope you can like to travel every country,to taste your happiness and share your mood.
Yeah...you're probably right. Peace, brother.
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Old 02-24-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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Again, the point is that I wouldn't want my money helping to prop up a communist government.
But China is currently only Communist in name, for the most part. Don't be fooled by the name of the ruling party. Is Germany a Christian nation? The current ruling part is the Christian Democrats. There is little communal or socialist practice about it, and in the past decades it has made great progress on reducing social and economically restrictive controls. The US has more socialist practices in many respects. You are also comparing it to the US, which is unfair. The US is an industrialized country with highly developed and functioning federal institutions. With your high standards applied fairly and evenly you likely wouldn't travel outside of the OECD.
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Old 02-24-2010, 10:58 AM
 
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I've already been to China, but if I hadn't been to either it would still be China by the barest whisker. Both are fascinating countries and not too far from me on a world scale, and both have an interesting mix of the traditional and the supermodern. Both also boast natural beauty, although China is probably the most diverse single country on the planet (from palm fringed tropical beaches, to sub-arctic tundra, to the Himalayas, scorching deserts, towering limestone karsts).

I intend to make this an ongoing thing, and you can start your own 'battles' if you like.

Which would you rather go to?
I would rather go to Japan. The Chinese are very xenophobic. There was a blog about an african american man living there on some kind of business or college venture. He was always describing how much of an outsider the Chinese treat him. If he goes on the bus or subway, some Chinese litterally get up and sit elsewhere. And this is not the first blog about China. There are many others as well that detailed their meloncholy experiences in China. Well it makes no difference to me. I only wanted to go to China to eat some authentic Chinese food.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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I would rather go to Japan. The Chinese are very xenophobic.
I definitely wouldn't say on a global scale that the Chinese are xenophobic, in general. However, many people's primary exposure to black people is through American movies, so obviously will have the prejudiced notion that they are dangerous. This is unfortunate. However, given much of the world is in the same situation, including Japan, I'm not sure Japan is much better towards blacks. except for an increased appreciation of hip-hop culture compared to China:
Japan Prejudice and Black Sambo - TIME
As for general xenophobia, I would say Japan is generally though of as being at least as much of a xenophobic country.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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I would love to visit the city of Harbin - a city with a strong Russian influence. Quite a sight to see!
It does have some older Russian places, but as previously mentioned China isn't so good at historical preservation. Mainly there is a nice old Orthodox church with some old pictures and stuff inside. There was also a pretty good museum about the biological human experimentation on Chinese under the Japanese occupation.
Go during the ice festival, its beautiful.
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Old 02-24-2010, 05:22 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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But China is currently only Communist in name, for the most part. Don't be fooled by the name of the ruling party. Is Germany a Christian nation? The current ruling part is the Christian Democrats. There is little communal or socialist practice about it, and in the past decades it has made great progress on reducing social and economically restrictive controls. The US has more socialist practices in many respects. You are also comparing it to the US, which is unfair. The US is an industrialized country with highly developed and functioning federal institutions. With your high standards applied fairly and evenly you likely wouldn't travel outside of the OECD.
Yes and no. The government is still very heavy-handed when it comes to things like media censorship, crime and punishment, and human rights/personal freedom, but economically; China is about as free-market as they come, really. I wonder what Mao would think of all these new American style neighbourhoods I saw popping up, like something out of Desperate Housewives, with Bentleys and Lamborghini's in the driveway. Or the many boutique stores and other high street retail establishments filling cities like Beijing, Shanghai or Guangzhou.
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