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There is no proof that evolution is the truth either. The Christians have a right to their beliefs as well as you do. I understand the desire to debate or argue because it can be entertaining, but I think it is far better to allow people to have their beliefs. There are many scientistist that do not believe in evolution but believe the earth was created, and you can find such a list in the book or movie, The Case for a Creator. Do not think that just because you believe in evolution that you are reasoning things out; you are only accepting what you have been taught in school, which is a shame, because they never tell you that certain teachings have been exposed as faults. And that is all I have to say.
There are not many scientist who don't believe in evolution. Unless you consider less than half of one percent "many."
It'd be nice if we could stop it with this blatant lie.
Organized religions have never been anything other than very shrewd and effective systems for controlling the behavior of the masses. They all work by harnessing the power of the human imagination. They play on your innate fear of death getting you all worked up over literally nothing and then say wait, there's a way out if you'll only do this (insert dogma ridden cliche' here).
Until a person breaks out of this mental prison he/she will remain an intellectual and philosophical child.
There is no proof that evolution is the truth either. The Christians have a right to their beliefs as well as you do. I understand the desire to debate or argue because it can be entertaining, but I think it is far better to allow people to have their beliefs. There are many scientistist that do not believe in evolution but believe the earth was created, and you can find such a list in the book or movie, The Case for a Creator. Do not think that just because you believe in evolution that you are reasoning things out; you are only accepting what you have been taught in school, which is a shame, because they never tell you that certain teachings have been exposed as faults. And that is all I have to say.
There is overwhelming evidence that evolution is fact. Even CREATIONISTS accept evolution, but only within species. They take the absurd view that natural selection may be true (which they cannot dam' well deny) but cannot over a long period of time become such a change that the animal is classifiable as a different species. This is a clearly arbitrary view based only on need to deny as much evolution theory as they can get away with
It is far better to publish evidentially validated information and to ensure that the educational books which (as you point out, pupils are just 'taught') contain only such validated information. It is far better than just letting people 'have their beliefs'. By which you evidently mean leaving them open to being 'taught' (in school if possible) information which is not only not validated but is demonstrably false.
Yes, certain teachings have been exposed as false and that is overwhelmingly the religious teachings. Not the science teachings. We find out more but adding Einstein to Newton and Quantum to Einstein does not mean that any of validated teachings were false (1).
A list of scientists who believe the earth was created and reject evolution proves nothing but, at best, how dangerous it is for scientists to abandon the scientific method for faith and at worst how such lists may be falsified by misrepresenting their science qualifications, the relevance of their field to geology or biology, or the views they have expressed on those subjects (2).
The debate may be entertaining but it is also neccessary. Vitally neccessary. Such Faith - based nonsense and false claims about religious truth have to be exposed and you should be willing to listen and not put forward such appalling views as you posted above, not to mention your flat suggestion that your ears were now firmly closed.
(1) of course Newton's nonscience (astrology, Alchemy and Daniel) has been shown to be false, though the believers are still in denial about Daniel, and Einstein was wrong about 'God does not play dice', because that was Faith - based and not based on evidence.
(2) "and you can find such a list in the book or movie, The Case for a Creator." (Strobel)
"Strobel is frankly misleading about his experts' qualifications. While spending paragraphs touting each of his interviewees' "doctorate-level" educations, he fails to point out that most of them do not have doctorates in the fields dealing with the issues on which they were interviewed. Rather, most of them have doctorates in philosophy or theology, and perhaps undergraduate degrees in a related science. Strobel clearly meant to insinuate that he picked doctorate-level experts in the fields dealing with the issues they were interviewed about; but, with a few exceptions, this is not the case. This does not bode well for his claim of standing "in the shoes of the skeptic." (underlining mine)
There are many scientistist that do not believe in evolution but believe the earth was created, and you can find such a list in the book or movie, The Case for a Creator.
This book has a chapter that focuses on an interview with anti-evolution activist Jonathan Wells.
Isn't it funny that Wells is also an admitted Rev. Sun Myung Moon disciple?
There is no proof that evolution is the truth either.
There is no “proof” of anything in science, because science does not work that way. Nothing in science is 100% certain or proven. At least not in the common usage of the word “prove”. Science uses the old definition of “prove” which simply means “to test”.
Have you never wondered at the old saying “The exception that proves the rule”? How can an exception prove a rule? If it is an exception then it has broken the rule. The reason why this saying appears to make no sense is that it is using the old definition of “prove”. Exceptions are used to test the rule and see if it holds.
So nothing in science is “proven” as you mean it, but everything in science… and evolution more than most other parts of science…. Is “proven” in the scientific sense…. In that we have thrown every test at it that we can and it has held up to them all. If Evolution can not be considered as close to "proven" as it is possible to be in Science then literally nothing else can either.
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There are many scientistist that do not believe in evolution but believe the earth was created
No. There is not. Unless of course you dilute your definition of "scientist" to have almost no meaning... like the Discovery Institute for example… by including everything from dentists to psychologists in the list of what they call “scientists”.
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Maybe just playing "devil's advocate" here (pun intended), but what's wrong with folks believing in "irrational $hit" anyway? Isn't the problem really only when they try to force everyone else to believe in it too?
There is no proof that evolution is the truth either.
You need to stop listening to Ray Comfort because yes, there is proof. LOTS of proof. It's all over the place. There is a plethora of facts and evidence. To say there is no proof for evolution is just as crazy as to say there is no proof for gravity.
I have found that those who claim there is no proof for evolution are always without exception ignorant and unschooled about what evolution is.
Maybe just playing "devil's advocate" here (pun intended), but what's wrong with folks believing in "irrational $hit" anyway? Isn't the problem really only when they try to force everyone else to believe in it too?
Because it drags the rest of society down.
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