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Old 02-28-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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I'd also suggest the orator Robert Ingersoll for high school kids. He, like Vonnegut, is for a more mature child, but he is very direct about the issues with religion, particularly Christianity.
I ran across a website the other week with a ton of quotes from Ingersoll. First I ever heard of him. Also found a bunch of his speeches on archive.org. Intriguing!
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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That's absolutely a crock. Individual children can weigh evidence much earlier than their teens.

While this may be true on average for kids, some teens can't think and many adults are stuck at a very early stage of moral reasoning as well.
I am almost positive I said abstract reasoning along with weighing evidence.

That is a clear distinction, that I am sorry you do not understand.

The vast majority of people are incapable of true abstract reasoning (the type we are talking about here) until their teens or later. This is supported by a large variety of research, available as both primary lit and book format.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:51 PM
 
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Aww, give children a little more credit than that. They can learn to think more critically and expand on their reasoning skills, especially if we start out small and use concepts they're already familiar with. Kids should learn this stuff well before they reach the teen years so they know how to handle all that peer pressure that's headed their way.
A study of most child development theory and research has shown that the high level abstract reasoning skills such as those discussed here are not able to be taught but are a function of development.

The ability to truly be able to reason and grasp abstract concepts is exactly the difference between adults and children. That skills which incorporates things like foreseeing consequences, is exactly why we do not hold teenagers to the same expectation as adults.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:16 AM
 
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I am almost positive I said abstract reasoning along with weighing evidence.

That is a clear distinction, that I am sorry you do not understand.

The vast majority of people are incapable of true abstract reasoning (the type we are talking about here) until their teens or later. This is supported by a large variety of research, available as both primary lit and book format.
The vast majority, perhaps, but not all.

Take an 8 year old with a genius IQ and see how he does with abstract reasoning.
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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Found this on the atheist forum on babycenter and thought it was an appropriate addition to this thread


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7oA-...layer_embedded
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