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Old 02-19-2011, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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I mean, go outside and look at the world around you.

Do you think there is a divine force that made all of this possible and keeps it running smoothly. If so, then you believe in supreme beings.

Or do you think it is simply natural forces at work and there are no supernatural forces present? If so, then you are an atheist.

How can you not reach one of those two conclusions?
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA
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"How can you not reach one of those two conclusions?"

Millions of people do just that. Hundreds of millions of people all over the world wake up each day and look at the world around there and don't presume a "higher being" had anything to do with it.

Because people disagree with certain theories does not make them wrong.

And there are infinite shades of gray that do not fit neatly into the two schools of thought you mention. I know plenty of people who don't believe in any "supernatural forces" who are emphatically not atheists.
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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Sometimes it's okay to just say "I don't know."
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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Sometimes I think that there is some force in the universe that created everything - not like God or anything - just a force or some being or something. Other times, I just think what an amazing universe we have evolved into from gases and energy.
I really don't know how it all started. I'm okay with knowing that I will never know the answer. To me, it's not really that important. If there is some sort of supreme being - great. If not - great. It's really not going to affect how I live my life. I'm still going to try to be the best person I can be - regardless.
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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Hundreds of millions of people all over the world wake up each day and look at the world around there and don't presume a "higher being" had anything to do with it.
I am one of those people, and that's what makes all of us atheists.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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Sometimes I think that there is some force in the universe that created everything - not like God or anything - just a force or some being or something. Other times, I just think what an amazing universe we have evolved into from gases and energy.
I really don't know how it all started. I'm okay with knowing that I will never know the answer. To me, it's not really that important. If there is some sort of supreme being - great. If not - great. It's really not going to affect how I live my life. I'm still going to try to be the best person I can be - regardless.
Dewdrop, it sounds like you might agree with Einstein, who said he believed in Spinoza's version of god. He also did not like the randomness assumptions that are a part of the theory of quantum mechanics as developed by his fellow German scientists in the 1930's. He said, "I don't believe god plays dice with the universe", or something like that.

Maybe you are a true agnostic, Dew.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Wallingford, CT
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You can't prove the non-existance of a divine being either. Logical people identify themselves in one of four ways, not 2 (gnsotic/agnostic, theist/atheist).

You can lean towards belief or non-belief, however it's irrational to say that you're gnostic anything due to lack of evidence.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:10 AM
 
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You can lean towards belief or non-belief
So which way do you lean, Csiko?

You can't lean forever. Which side will you fall on?
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Old 02-19-2011, 01:03 PM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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I mean, go outside and look at the world around you.

Do you think there is a divine force that made all of this possible and keeps it running smoothly. If so, then you believe in supreme beings.

Or do you think it is simply natural forces at work and there are no supernatural forces present? If so, then you are an atheist.

How can you not reach one of those two conclusions?
First the universe doesn't keep running smoothly. With a star being extinguished every second, millions dying every year in pointless agony.. To believe this, you must be a suzie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7iXASIOdA

These two options are not the only options. There is the deist, alien, dream, idea, computer simulation and human created the universe position.
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Old 02-19-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA
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I can't stand religious zealots and their insistence of a God and Noah's ark and all that nonsense. I don't know what happens after death ( I strongly assume "nothing,"), but I don't know for sure. So instead of calling myself an atheist, I prefer to say agnostic.
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